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	<title>Comments on: Latest speech of FRBNY President Tim Geithner</title>
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		<title>By: Brad Setser: Follow the Money &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A new economic team</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Setser: Follow the Money &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A new economic team</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] guess is that we will soon be bearing more about the need to build better shock absorbers into the structure of our financial [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DF</title>
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		<dc:creator>DF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billmon, the main difference with the 70&#039;s is Labor bargaining power.
You can&#039;t inflate your economy away from debt if wages lag behind productivity, let alone behind prices !!
The only way to raise demand when wages lag behind productivity is through more debt, therefore, inflation can not erase your debt in such a situation ...

THe main problem of the world economy is wages remaining too low.
One reason of these low wages is excesive capital mobility and excessive labor market deregulation.
These will reverse in the next 20 years, you can bet on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billmon, the main difference with the 70&#8217;s is Labor bargaining power.<br />
You can&#8217;t inflate your economy away from debt if wages lag behind productivity, let alone behind prices !!<br />
The only way to raise demand when wages lag behind productivity is through more debt, therefore, inflation can not erase your debt in such a situation &#8230;</p>
<p>THe main problem of the world economy is wages remaining too low.<br />
One reason of these low wages is excesive capital mobility and excessive labor market deregulation.<br />
These will reverse in the next 20 years, you can bet on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lacordaire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lacordaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To P:

&quot;The Europe has implemented a number of trade barriers to restrict US competition or move production to Europe ... Electronic standards that differ from the US to import requirements that raise supply chain costs &quot;

I don&#039;t get your point...

Seen from here,  I was always thinking that US had implemented trade barriers to restrict european competition ,with those slighty different requirements for car or electronic ?
And by the way, trading only in that different money instead of Euro, the US-Dollar, they are also raising european costs to export in America
America ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To P:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Europe has implemented a number of trade barriers to restrict US competition or move production to Europe &#8230; Electronic standards that differ from the US to import requirements that raise supply chain costs &#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get your point&#8230;</p>
<p>Seen from here,  I was always thinking that US had implemented trade barriers to restrict european competition ,with those slighty different requirements for car or electronic ?<br />
And by the way, trading only in that different money instead of Euro, the US-Dollar, they are also raising european costs to export in America<br />
America <img src='http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: steve kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its easy to overestimate how much debt we can inflate away.  It depends on the term structure of outstanding debt.  Certainly we can reduce the real value of long debt already in foreign hands but as inflation picks up new debt accumulation will be shorter and shorter at the same time that interest rates rise to reflect the inflation that is happening.  The more we use this channel to reduce our debt the less effective it becomes.  But there is certainly some mileage in it yet, especially if we take into account what the exchange rate could do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its easy to overestimate how much debt we can inflate away.  It depends on the term structure of outstanding debt.  Certainly we can reduce the real value of long debt already in foreign hands but as inflation picks up new debt accumulation will be shorter and shorter at the same time that interest rates rise to reflect the inflation that is happening.  The more we use this channel to reduce our debt the less effective it becomes.  But there is certainly some mileage in it yet, especially if we take into account what the exchange rate could do.</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us consider carefully the New York Times editorial on the proposed change in India&#039;s drug manufacture laws.  Several times I argued with John Rawls and Lawrence Kohlberg that setting ethical problems in rich and poor countries would provoke different solutions.  Kohlberg would ask whether we might steal a drug to save someone dear to us were we too poor to afford the drug.  I was always struck by the ethical choice not applying to people for whom life saving drugs were beyond stealing.  What of southern Africa?  Now here is indeed a profound ethical question in what should and should not be limits to sharing intellectual property as the property is amassed at increasingly different rates in richer and poorer countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us consider carefully the New York Times editorial on the proposed change in India&#8217;s drug manufacture laws.  Several times I argued with John Rawls and Lawrence Kohlberg that setting ethical problems in rich and poor countries would provoke different solutions.  Kohlberg would ask whether we might steal a drug to save someone dear to us were we too poor to afford the drug.  I was always struck by the ethical choice not applying to people for whom life saving drugs were beyond stealing.  What of southern Africa?  Now here is indeed a profound ethical question in what should and should not be limits to sharing intellectual property as the property is amassed at increasingly different rates in richer and poorer countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McQueen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve McQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One detail I&#039;ve been thinking about is what exactly it is that we (i.e. U.S.) would be exporting in greater amounts in order to close the gaps.  Because we are a wealthy nation, we are not going to close the gap through the export of low-tech stuff - the margin just isn&#039;t there when compared with our cost of living.  Hence the &#039;service economy&#039; comments above.  The point I want to make is that investing in a service economy is materially different from investing in industrial manufacturing.

The challenge for non-industrial investment is in booking an asset on the balance sheet.  If you bought a factory that makes widgets, then it&#039;s easy.  If you bought a factory that makes memory chips, and that manufacturing technology suddenly becomes obsolete, that&#039;s a different story (example:  Hynix).  If your business is contracting with the memory maker and a computer maker, that is a far different story - you can book the contract, but is there any reason at all to expect that you will be able to roll the contract and remain in your high-margin business? (example: HK-based textile intermediaries, now under incredible pressure - I believe this was discussed recently in The Economist).  It is hard to invest in the service economy and hi-tech because there is much less staying power in the assets.  Compare what computer programmers are getting paid today vs. 5 years ago - truly night vs. day.

We all know that you can&#039;t have greater expected return without greater risk.  Why should our economy appear more stable than China&#039;s, when we are in businesses which could go the way of the NASDAQ, and theirs will go nowhere, neither up nor down?

Now I will pose a very simple question:  If you are a debt investor, would you prefer that the business take more or less risks?  Standard theory says you tell them to take LESS risks, because your debt is safer.  If you are a large central bank in Asia, and you are already sitting on a mountain of US gov&#039;t debt, wouldn&#039;t you rather that Americans just keep building reliable homes, instead of investing in a new wave of tech startups which could crater?

I know this is a total ramble and admit I don&#039;t have things sorted out at all; really I just want to suggest that the qualitative differences between the US economy and its main creditors could be an important angle to examine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One detail I&#8217;ve been thinking about is what exactly it is that we (i.e. U.S.) would be exporting in greater amounts in order to close the gaps.  Because we are a wealthy nation, we are not going to close the gap through the export of low-tech stuff &#8211; the margin just isn&#8217;t there when compared with our cost of living.  Hence the &#8217;service economy&#8217; comments above.  The point I want to make is that investing in a service economy is materially different from investing in industrial manufacturing.</p>
<p>The challenge for non-industrial investment is in booking an asset on the balance sheet.  If you bought a factory that makes widgets, then it&#8217;s easy.  If you bought a factory that makes memory chips, and that manufacturing technology suddenly becomes obsolete, that&#8217;s a different story (example:  Hynix).  If your business is contracting with the memory maker and a computer maker, that is a far different story &#8211; you can book the contract, but is there any reason at all to expect that you will be able to roll the contract and remain in your high-margin business? (example: HK-based textile intermediaries, now under incredible pressure &#8211; I believe this was discussed recently in The Economist).  It is hard to invest in the service economy and hi-tech because there is much less staying power in the assets.  Compare what computer programmers are getting paid today vs. 5 years ago &#8211; truly night vs. day.</p>
<p>We all know that you can&#8217;t have greater expected return without greater risk.  Why should our economy appear more stable than China&#8217;s, when we are in businesses which could go the way of the NASDAQ, and theirs will go nowhere, neither up nor down?</p>
<p>Now I will pose a very simple question:  If you are a debt investor, would you prefer that the business take more or less risks?  Standard theory says you tell them to take LESS risks, because your debt is safer.  If you are a large central bank in Asia, and you are already sitting on a mountain of US gov&#8217;t debt, wouldn&#8217;t you rather that Americans just keep building reliable homes, instead of investing in a new wave of tech startups which could crater?</p>
<p>I know this is a total ramble and admit I don&#8217;t have things sorted out at all; really I just want to suggest that the qualitative differences between the US economy and its main creditors could be an important angle to examine.</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/opinion/18tues2.html

India&#039;s Choice

For an AIDS patient in a poor country lucky enough to get antiretroviral treatment, chances are that the pills that stave off death come from India. Generic knockoffs of AIDS drugs made by Indian manufacturers - now treating patients in 200 countries - have brought the price of antiretroviral therapy down to $140 a year from $12,000.

That luck may soon run out. India has become the world&#039;s supplier of cheap AIDS drugs because it has the necessary raw materials and a thriving and sophisticated copycat drug industry made possible by laws that grant patents to the process of making medicines, rather than to the drugs themselves. But when India signed the World Trade Organization&#039;s agreement on intellectual property in 1994, it was required to institute patents on products by Jan. 1, 2005. These rules have little to do with free trade and more to do with the lobbying power of the American and European pharmaceutical industries.</description>
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<p>India&#8217;s Choice</p>
<p>For an AIDS patient in a poor country lucky enough to get antiretroviral treatment, chances are that the pills that stave off death come from India. Generic knockoffs of AIDS drugs made by Indian manufacturers &#8211; now treating patients in 200 countries &#8211; have brought the price of antiretroviral therapy down to $140 a year from $12,000.</p>
<p>That luck may soon run out. India has become the world&#8217;s supplier of cheap AIDS drugs because it has the necessary raw materials and a thriving and sophisticated copycat drug industry made possible by laws that grant patents to the process of making medicines, rather than to the drugs themselves. But when India signed the World Trade Organization&#8217;s agreement on intellectual property in 1994, it was required to institute patents on products by Jan. 1, 2005. These rules have little to do with free trade and more to do with the lobbying power of the American and European pharmaceutical industries.</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/16/weekinreview/16china.html

It&#039;s Just Business, Nothing Geopolitical
By KEITH BRADSHER

HONG KONG â€” Shut up and keep buying.

Few countries are benefiting as much as China these days from the international status quo - and Beijing knows it. So, as American criticisms of China have shifted from human rights to the value of its currency and the aggressiveness of its trade practices, Chinese leaders have tried hard to keep the peace while exporting ever more.

China&#039;s economy is doubling in size every 10 years, and personal incomes have been climbing steeply, especially in the cities. Trade with the United States plays a huge role in that growth, as investors around the world pour money into Chinese factories that make goods destined mainly for the American market....</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s Just Business, Nothing Geopolitical<br />
By KEITH BRADSHER</p>
<p>HONG KONG â€” Shut up and keep buying.</p>
<p>Few countries are benefiting as much as China these days from the international status quo &#8211; and Beijing knows it. So, as American criticisms of China have shifted from human rights to the value of its currency and the aggressiveness of its trade practices, Chinese leaders have tried hard to keep the peace while exporting ever more.</p>
<p>China&#8217;s economy is doubling in size every 10 years, and personal incomes have been climbing steeply, especially in the cities. Trade with the United States plays a huge role in that growth, as investors around the world pour money into Chinese factories that make goods destined mainly for the American market&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Billmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How asset prices may fall without creating a credit shrunk and deflation would be a mistery.&quot;

It&#039;s possible to have falling financial asset prices without debt deflation. It&#039;s even possible to have falling financial asset prices and a relatively high rate of consumer price inflation - the mid-&#039;70s being a case in point. Falling stock and bond prices may hurt the asset side of the balance sheet, but inflation helps clean up the liability side. Hard assets - commodities, real estate - can do well in an inflationary environment, especially if real, as opposed to nominal, interest rates remain relatively low. And while home equity isn&#039;t the 400-pound gorilla of U.S. household net worth that it used to be, it&#039;s still pretty big. So consumer spending and investment doesn&#039;t necessarily have to crater just because the stock market does.

That&#039;s not to say it would play out that way now if the Fed decided to put full employment ahead of price stability. A lot has changed since the 70s - vastly more debt, vastly larger international capital flows, vastly more complex and &quot;flexible&quot; (to use Greenspan&#039;s favorite word) financial markets. Whether that last would prove a blessing or a curse in a full-blown dollar crisis remains to be seen. Maybe the end result would be something that looks like &#039;70s stagflation, or maybe the whole house of cards would come tumbling down, I don&#039;t know.

But it seems worthwhile to consider that as the owner of the world&#039;s primary reserve currency, the USA is in the rare position of being able to inflate away its own debts, external as well as internal. If there is a way to squeeze some short-term benefits out of an inflationary monetary policy, you can bet the ruling party would be for it, no matter what the long-term cost. Would the Fed have enough backbone to resist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How asset prices may fall without creating a credit shrunk and deflation would be a mistery.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible to have falling financial asset prices without debt deflation. It&#8217;s even possible to have falling financial asset prices and a relatively high rate of consumer price inflation &#8211; the mid-&#8217;70s being a case in point. Falling stock and bond prices may hurt the asset side of the balance sheet, but inflation helps clean up the liability side. Hard assets &#8211; commodities, real estate &#8211; can do well in an inflationary environment, especially if real, as opposed to nominal, interest rates remain relatively low. And while home equity isn&#8217;t the 400-pound gorilla of U.S. household net worth that it used to be, it&#8217;s still pretty big. So consumer spending and investment doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to crater just because the stock market does.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say it would play out that way now if the Fed decided to put full employment ahead of price stability. A lot has changed since the 70s &#8211; vastly more debt, vastly larger international capital flows, vastly more complex and &#8220;flexible&#8221; (to use Greenspan&#8217;s favorite word) financial markets. Whether that last would prove a blessing or a curse in a full-blown dollar crisis remains to be seen. Maybe the end result would be something that looks like &#8217;70s stagflation, or maybe the whole house of cards would come tumbling down, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>But it seems worthwhile to consider that as the owner of the world&#8217;s primary reserve currency, the USA is in the rare position of being able to inflate away its own debts, external as well as internal. If there is a way to squeeze some short-term benefits out of an inflationary monetary policy, you can bet the ruling party would be for it, no matter what the long-term cost. Would the Fed have enough backbone to resist?</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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China&#039;s Latest Capitalist Beachhead
By DAVID BARBOZA

SANYA, China - China&#039;s leaders once tapped Hainan, this small sunny island off the southern coast of China, to be one of five experimental laboratories for capitalism. Hainan was supposed to compete to become a new Hong Kong, even a future Singapore.

But more than a decade later, even as China&#039;s hot economy bubbles over with success in places like Shanghai and Shenzhen, Hainan is, well, still an experiment, like a lone laggard.

It seems as though this place, despite its postcard-perfect views and year-round summer sheen, might be called one of China&#039;s earliest glitches on the road to capitalism, an isolated patch of somewhat undeveloped land that had once captured leadership attention, wads of cash and many talented Chinese wanting to strike it rich.</description>
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<p>China&#8217;s Latest Capitalist Beachhead<br />
By DAVID BARBOZA</p>
<p>SANYA, China &#8211; China&#8217;s leaders once tapped Hainan, this small sunny island off the southern coast of China, to be one of five experimental laboratories for capitalism. Hainan was supposed to compete to become a new Hong Kong, even a future Singapore.</p>
<p>But more than a decade later, even as China&#8217;s hot economy bubbles over with success in places like Shanghai and Shenzhen, Hainan is, well, still an experiment, like a lone laggard.</p>
<p>It seems as though this place, despite its postcard-perfect views and year-round summer sheen, might be called one of China&#8217;s earliest glitches on the road to capitalism, an isolated patch of somewhat undeveloped land that had once captured leadership attention, wads of cash and many talented Chinese wanting to strike it rich.</p>
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