China's monthly surplus was over $10 billion in August, and "only" $7.5 billion or so in September. The pace of export growth dipped a bit in September (v. August), while import growth stayed at its August levels.
I think there is both less and more to this data point than meets the eye.
Less for two reasons:
First, the fall in the year over year export growth in September part reflects the fact that Chinese exports were quite strong last September. Base effects matter. Exports from China last August were $51.5 billion, and exports last September were $56 billion. Exports dipped back down to $52.5 billion in October, so if monthly exports stay in the $70 billion range, the y/y rate of export growth will tick up back above 30% again next month. We should not put too much emphasis on monthly growth rates. For the full year, China's rate of export growth continues to be above 30%.
The real challenge comes in November and December – since last November and December Chinese exports surged and topped $60 billion. My forecast – a significant slowdown in year over year export growth rates for those months.
Second, higher oil prices alone should generate higher imports. September 2005 oil prices were over 40% above September 2004 oil prices. I want a bit more data on oil import volumes – and import volumes generally – before assigning enormous significance a second month of comparatively strong import data. China's oil import growth (measured in volume terms) has lagged China's growth; there may be a bit of "catch up" going on now.
More for two reasons as well:
First, I do think China's export growth is likely to slow, even if i don't think that slowdown really shows up in the September data. Sustaining 30% growth off China's now large export base will be hard. Monthly exports next September would need to close to $91 billion. Plus, China's exchange rate has appreciated significantly this year. Not against the dollar. But against the Euro. For the past few years, China's exports to Europe have been growing faster than China's exports to the US. That should change in 2005. So if China's year over year export growth rate slows in November and December, as I suspect, that may signal a broader slowdown.
But remember, export growth is now around 30% — even if it slows to say 20%, export growth will still be quite strong. Exports will be growing faster than the rest of the economy.
Second, there is more and more evidence suggesting that the central bank is starting to take its foot off the brakes, and, partially as a result, that the domestic side of China's economy is resuming some of the vigor it saw in 2003 and in early 2004. Specifically, after clamping down on construction lending last year, the central bank seems (the data is incomplete) to have concluded that it is safe to allow some expansion again. And by failing to pick up the pace of its sterilization enough to offset the surge in China's reserves, it also seems to have allowed a bit more rapid growth in China's money supply.
Any increases in domestic demand are welcome, though it might be nice if someone somewhere in the world was not relying on housing to support domestic demand. But China still needs to do far more to really lay the basis for consumption-led growth. I agree with the Financial Times oped page:
Nor can [Japan's] economic revival – welcome as it is – substitute for Chinese action on imbalances. Japan's surplus is high, but slowly declining. China's surplus is exploding upwards, from $17bn in 2001 to $69bn last year and an estimated $116bn this.
Moreover, Japan, an ageing, rich country, should be running a surplus, while China, a relatively young, poor country, should be running a deficit, at least equal to its annual inflow of foreign direct investment, $61bn last year. China could sensibly allow its current account surplus to decline by $177bn: far more than Japan could.
Brad: “Any increases in domestic demand are welcome, though it might be nice if someone somewhere in the world was not relying on housing to support domestic demand.”
While the point is well taken, you should not overlook the extent to which “housing” in China is a proxy for “urbanization”. And certainly, you must agree, no factor is more important in stimulating domestic demand in China than getting people off the farm and into the cities.
Michael –
China is more urban today than four years ago, it also saves more. Over time, there will be a massive rural to urban migration in china, india, indonesia and most of africa … I do not accept that this implies that only export-led growth can generate the increase in urban employment. I do not think urbanization based on the current pattern (lots of employment in coastal regions that have easy access to export markets) will by itself bring down Chinese savings rates/ increase consumption.
I suspect rural china spends what it earns, and most savings comes from urban china (imf data suggests most of the increae in savings since 01 comes from enterprises and government — household savings has fallen)
answering
repeated fears
of inadequate urbanization rates
requires generating
more then just 10 million new temp jobs a year
it demands
a wagelingers
housing boom of ungodly proportions
the problem
ground rent
lot price balloonings
are a vast brake on construction
unfortunately
the authorities have only
a ham fisted bazooka to train on this
cranking down on credit availibility
no solution
to this very micro
very intricate problem
ask any top wonk over there
after a few generous pops
Brad: “I suspect rural china spends what it earns, and most savings comes from urban china.”
That’s not really the issue.
The issue is that capital seeks the highest returns, and the highest returns are from markets with the highest value-added consumption. It is only through urbanization that China will build a domestic market that is attractive (in terms of quantity and quality of consumption) as a destination for savings and investment, relative to exports.
If I have $100 dollars in savings (from China, the U.S., Lichtenstein, or Lesotho) and I have the opportunity to invest it in selling raw grains and legumes to Chinese peasants, or iPods to middle-class urbanites, where am I going to invest? The only way to get more of China’s savings to stay in China is to grow more iPod buyers in China. Which means more urbanization, which means more housing.
I expect that any anticipated or potential future declines in China’s exports should include consideration for additional exports of automotive parts/components/subassemblies resulting from further shifts in source production.
The next wave of U.S. offshoring such additional automotive parts/components/subassemblies may take two years to complete.
Further, Mercedes Benz, as an example, is in the process of shifting much of its production of U.S. destined models to China.
As such, we’re going to see strong (and high dollar) increases in China exports supporting the needs of the automotive industry. And unless the industry collapses, export declines in other products will have to offset the forthcoming automotive exports gains that China will be providing for the U.S. and other markets.
Well…unless we expect Latin America or other parts of Asia to become the principal source suppliers of automotive parts.
movie guy — it may surprise you, but i have long thought that auto parts and autos are potentially the place where the political bargains underpinning Asian financing of US consumption break down. Countries with per capita GDP of well under $2000 generally don’t make cars — and in all honesty, i don’t see how the US can outsource auto production without exporting far more debt than makes sense. Ford and GM may fail and be replaced by transplants, with the US government footing much of the bill, but i have difficulty seeing how it is either economically or politically viable for the US auto industry to migrate offshore, or for that matter, that it is politically viable to save “final assembly” jobs by outsourcing all parts production. Autos are not exactly a low tech product these days. They are made in Nagoya, Munich and Stuttgart, not just in low wage parts of the world. And if the US adds autos to its list of imported goods, it is not clear what the US can sell — other than more debt — to pay for those imports. and I don’t think the US can keep on financing its existing imports with debt. the sums just don’t seem to add up.
Read David Broder in the Wapo. Read Dan Gross on the reproletariatization of US labor. Map the auto industry and the battleground states that Elaine Kamarck and Bill Galston indentify (their work is cited by Broder). Draw your own conclusions …
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&sid=a3_fwP85dZzM
John Berry: U.S. Investment Income Close to ‘Tipping Point’
…all the advantages that accrue to the U.S. as the provider of the central currency in the global monetary system can’t forever offset the impact of the country consuming more than it produces. What if a “tipping point” has been reached?
Gourinchas and Rey* say their analysis “does not imply that the current situation can be maintained indefinitely.”
The Possible Repercussions
“Foreign lenders could decide to stop financing the U.S. external deficit and run away from the dollar, either in favor of another currency such as the euro, or just as dramatically, require a risk premium on U.S. liquid assets whose safety could not be guaranteed any longer.
“In either case, the repercussions could be quite severe, with a decline in the value of the dollar, higher domestic interest rates and yields, and a global recession,” they caution.
“In a world where the U.S. can supply the international currency at will, and invest it in illiquid assets, it still faces a confidence risk,” they say.
Should confidence be lost, the value of the dollar could plunge, and a world financial crisis could ensue. At that point, even the U.S. could be forced to stop living beyond its means.
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*From World Banker to World Venture Capitalist: US External Adjustment and the Exorbitant Privilege http://www.nber.org/books/curracct/cas05/rey.pdf
http://www.dbresearch.com/servlet/reweb2.ReWEB?rwkey=u2322480
China & India: A visual essay
* The China-India chartbook is a visual essay to depict key similarities and differences between these two emerging economies, which are poised to change the global economic landscape.
…
# Despite China’s superior economic growth and macroeconomic stability, surveys indicate India has better corporate governance standards and its companies are more commercially-driven.
# China’s pursuit to liberalise its economy a decade earlier and invest heavily in modernising its infrastructure give it a substantial edge over India in terms of income per capita levels. They also make China a more attractive destination to foreign investors. However, India has had longer-standing institutional infrastructure and corporate governance. As a result, while it receives comparably lower foreign direct investment than China, its returns on investment are better on average. The key to unlock India’s potential to rival China as an FDI destination is a decisive effort by the Indian authorities to push ahead with reforms.
2002 data shows urban share of household savings at 82.27%, rural at 17.73%. Both grew strongly over 2001, by 19.29% and 11.46%, respectively.
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Open Letter of Concerned Economists to the President
http://www.openlettertothepresident.org/
Open Letter to President from Concerned Economists
http://www.openlettertothepresident.org/
I agree with Brad in regards to China producing cars. Japan learned a long time ago that producing cars in close proximity to where they’ll sold results in huge cost savings. I don’t know the exact costs, but I would guess the cost of shipping a 3,000 lb vehicle across the pacific must offset much, if not all, the cost savings of having the cars assembled in China. The caveat is, if all the parts are made in China, then you might as well assemble it there as well since you’ll be shipping the car across the pacific anyway, be it in small pieces or fully assembled. Another factor is automobile assembly is much more automated than in the past. Machines do much of the work so much of the costs will be tied to electricity and maintenance costs as opposed to raw labor costs.
My own opinion….
If the Chinese make cars as well as they make childrens bicycles, it might be a good idea to get some mechanics training. Mechanics will be in huge demand.
On India vs China…
I think India has a better gov’t for doing things that require protection of intellectual property. Mainly service sector work. I think China is better suited for things that require raw labor since Labor unions are more likely to be an annoyance in India then in China. Plus, I work closely with India and Chinese people and I don’t get the sense that Indians are cut out to work on factory floors. I think the chinese are better suited to do hard labor than Indians.
my lord can smart folks get blown off course
parts are already being peroduced in china
by all the auto MNCs
they just aren’t yet up to global standards
its gonna happen
if export markets remain open
amateur guesses
at auto
production and shipping costs
not withstanding
just
recall the history of japan in north america
building here instead of in japan
happened initially
thanx to quotas
it
was the only
politically acceptable way
around uncle’s unit limits
never for a moment was it
a simple profit max decision
and since quotas were on units
the low value models ended up
getting assembled here first
and perverse as its outcome
proved
uncle by forcing unit restrictions on the japanese
made it obvious to them
that
among other things
“they ” needed
to attack our
high end market
(cause value per import allowed unit
would get maxed that way)
i wonder
why u all seem to think
this history is not repeatable by china
Charlie,
You have to be kidding.
Right now, the Chinese market for expensive autos is saturated. Hence, what is left is the export market…yup to Germany and the West.
“The Chinese auto industry is outgrowing the demand there, and the quality of what China can produce is improving. You put those two together and you think about exports,” said auto analyst David Healy at Burnham Securities.
“DaimlerChrysler has been behind other Western automakers in China, and this may be a way to catch up,” Healy said.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0504/22/A01-158933.htm
Slice aging populations anyway you want—or the necessity of reducing consumer spending. The absolutely crux of the situation can be seen in the little story of Mercedes.
Say good-bye to GM, Ford, and all the rest. As the article points out, the auto market in China is close to saturation; but the export business will thrive, at least for the more expensive models.
Entire production chains are moving to China …or anywhere else the labor is dirt cheap. And those at the top of those production chains are telling their supplies go there… or else.
The actual cost of transportation is more than offset by cheap labor, especially when the rest of the supply chain is there. Sorry. Japan is not China. You’re living in the last century.
The only thing that will stop this is escalating oil prices and/or the Western consumer being tapped out through credit and bankruptcies.
DOR — thanks for the data on Chinese urban v. rural savings. Given income diferentials, i guess that implies the household savings rate is similar in rural and urban china, and the only real difference is that “urban” china has a higher per capital income?
The Chinese market for expensive cars is saturated. The market for cheap cars is not. The saturation in the market for expensive cars is in part due to a strategic error by automakers to focus on the upper market rather than on the emerging middle class where all the demand is going to be.
I admit I don’t know a lot about car manufacturing costs. Heck, I don’t know much about the business at all. I do now that there’s a destimation charge that’s on every car sticker and it’s not a small fee and it’s the charge for delivery from Point A in the US to point B in the US. Assuming there’s not rampant markup on this figure, I would assume the actual shipping cost from point A in China to point B in the US is going to be several multiples of this.
Brad,
Do you see the auto industry…including the suppliers…moving offshore?
August, 2005
During the January-June period, China exported US$ 4.877 billion worth of automobiles, components and spare parts, representing a year-on-year increase of 38.3 percent, with the exports of automobiles standing at 378,800, nearly 143 percent that of the corresponding period of 2004, the People‘s Daily said on Monday.
The foreign exchange earnings from auto exports amounted to US$762 million, 162 percent that of the same period of last year.
  
During the period, China‘s exports of sedans witnessed a 183 percent surge to 9,600 units, recording the fastest growth rate.
  
At the same time, China‘s import volume of automobiles, components and spare parts plunged by 36.2 percent to US$5.535 billion.
http://english.china.com/zh_cn/business/auto/11021615/20050823/12594432.html
I could bore you with lots of other reports; suffice it to say, China exports a LOT of cars.
And…who cares in D.C.? Not much of anyone, apparently. It’s happening.
Charlie? Brad?
February 2004: What we should have expected and did happen.
During the next few years, auto imports from China — for parts like radios, CD players or DVDs — are expected to explode. So, too, is the number of workers employed in China by Detroit’s automakers and suppliers.
Looking at Detroit’s three automakers and largest parts suppliers, it’s clear that the politically sensitive drive by U.S. corporations to import more goods from China will only grow.
The biggest push appears to be from General Motors Corp., which plans to increase 20-fold the number of auto parts it buys from China and uses in the United States, Europe, Mexico and elsewhere. In 2003, GM bought about $200 million in Chinese auto parts for use in the rest of the world. Its top purchasing executive expects that to grow to $4 billion by 2009.
As part of its strategy to keep down auto prices, GM is asking suppliers for “global pricing,” which GM suppliers called code for buying parts from China. GM is one of the world’s largest buyers of parts and materials, spending $83 billion in 2003, including $61 billion in North America.
http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/china12_20040212.htm
Yes, this is Plan A.
Plan B?
It is just too funny. I posted somewhere that Snow’s latest jaunt to China was not about currency revaluaton, but about setting up financial businesses there. Guess what? He wants the Chinese to borrow more to spend. Get a credit card, use derivatives, indulge in credit-swaps….
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/13/business/yuan.php
Yup, give the poor Chinese credit cards. I can see the rush to the cities and Free Trade Zones now: Get your red hot credit cards…. so what if you only earn $1500/year? “Owe your soul to the company store.”
Well, put this post in the economic slagheap.
Stormy — we should not kid ourselves, Snow’s trip to China was about both RMB revaluation and market access for US financial firms. RMB revaluation is critical for the reason you cited — if the auto makers expect the RMB to stay at its current level, parts production will move to china as soon as the quality levels rise to the needed level. And if that happens, well, market forces should lead the RMB to rise, and perhaps china should become less competitive as a textile producer, and it should start importing a lot more and the like. but the government might resist appreciation, because the textile plants employ lots of people, etc. you know the story.
A part of me does find the US govenment pushing the interest of the US financial services industry a bit distasteful — or perhaps a bit parocical. But here, i do think the expansion of US banks in China would generally be a step in the right direction. uS banks don’t want to get into China to sell credit derivatives — they want to get into China to set up credit card businesses, and perhaps make (apartment) equity loans and generally set up consumer finance units. that is where they make all their money. And you know what, a china that consumers more and saves less would be good for the world.
They no doubt also want access to RMB financing to facilitate fx hedging, which is another business that they want to get into — Joseph Wang can give you the details, but suffice to say that access to RMB to hedge a forward contract is really, really useful …
Brad,
Appreciate the response.
I understand what you are saying, but the offshoring move for production of auto parts and components is well underway. It would take major legislation to stop it, and then there is the question of being WTO compliant. If that still matters.
I see very little to stop the ongoing shift in automobile parts and components. No one wants to discuss trade policy. No one seems to be able to straighten out currency exchange rates. And we’re not close to eliminating our federal budget deficits and large scale offbudget supplemental appropriates (which take advantage of foreign investment…or foreign currency support).
I agree that exporting more automotive parts and components production for U.S. destined vehicles may serve as one of the “final straws” in the trade argument. The impact is already large and it is going to grow. But how will the U.S. support the WTO trade model (policies and accords) and still play a double secret hold card for automobile parts and production? How will that move work?
It strikes me that the Congress and Administration have to come to an agreement on how they intend for the U.S. to address its current account deficits if the existing flow of offshoring initiatives and ‘demands’ for offshoring continue unabated. I’m not confident that they are up to the big task.
These following routine articles make various points:
A House Divided: Manufacturing In Crisis
http://www.industryweek.com/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=10849
THOMAS PALLEY: Globalization snares auto industry
http://www.freep.com/voices/columnists/epalley12e_20051012.htm
AIAG embarks on long-distance supply chain improvement project
http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/news/industry_news/20-09-05_3
GM to demand outsourcing from suppliers
http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050909-030615-3557r
** Not a great article, but one I found regarding GM’s request.
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Brad, I assume that you are talking about this new paper:
The Third Way Middle Class Project
by Elaine Kamarck and William Galston
October 2005
http://www.third-way.com/news/tw_pop.pdf
Reading that Sec Snow is advising local people in a farming village of 36,000 [Mulan, China (Sichuan Province)] on how to take advantage of credit purchases and save less is a bit much for me.
Why not walk around and hand out VISA cards?
Actually most banks I see entering the China market tend to be interested in mergers and acquisitions, corporate finance, and venture capital.
There’s really very little enthusiasm among Western banks for retail banking or consumer credit since the Chinese banks already have that sector tied up.
Also this idea of giving a billion people credit cards soon is silly. It will eventually happen, but it will take about a decade or so because in order to have credit cards, you will need things like getting merchants to take credit cards, you also have to create an infrastructure for gathering credit reports for a billion people.
Will happen eventually, but not any time soon. I suspect that by the time all of this infrastructure is in place, something will have happened to the United States to make “shop till you drop” not a policy to be copied.
We’re in real trouble. This scratches the surface.
A House Divided: Manufacturing In Crisis
Tuesday, November 01, 2005
By Doug Bartholomew
IndustryWeek.com
[This article focuses on the loss of small and midsize manufacturers]
Excerpts:
It’s no secret there’s a civil war going on out there. The U.S. manufacturing landscape is being ripped apart by a series of attacks on its traditional strongholds that has left few industries intact.
Already tens of thousands of small and midsize manufacturers have gone under. Those that remain are struggling.
…most large U.S. multinational manufacturers have shifted some or all production abroad and now export products back to the U.S. to take advantage of cheap labor elsewhere. According to a 2004 report by consultants McKinsey & Co., one-third of the U.S. trade deficit can be attributed to foreign operations of U.S. multinational companies.
Another fear is that the demise of… smaller firms will hurt everyone through a diminution of talent, innovation and technology.
“These smaller manufacturers often are like a farm club, with their people often jumping to one of the bigger manufacturers,” says analyst Piszczalski. “They serve as a breeding ground for talent and an important source of innovation. There are a lot of advantages to having these ‘mom and pop’ operations in your country.”
Dave Frengel, director of government affairs at Penn United Technology, a Saxonburg, Pa.-based manufacturer of precision metal-forming dies, agrees. “If the big companies can’t find the skills and the components they need in the U.S., then they have to buy them offshore.”
And as Matt Meyers, director of the Global Business Institute at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, Tenn., points out: “We are seeing a dramatic decrease in the number of supplier options worldwide.”
Some large manufacturers are committed to fighting the decline of U.S. manufacturing out of plain and simple self-interest. One reason is that many of these small and midsize companies are their customers. “We are going to fight the decline of U.S. manufacturing tooth and nail,” says Johns of Nucor. If small and midsize firms go down the tubes, he adds, “The direct impact will be that volume will go down for large companies, and we’ll all eventually disappear down the sewer.”
Frengel [of Penn United Technology] says his company supports what he calls “intelligent trade policies and a system to administer them, which are not there. We did not create a robust trade management system. Our company supports trade policies and reforms that will help our nation.”
The loss to the nation, he says, is the same loss to large manufacturers, every time another small or midsize manufacturer goes bust. For example, only a single major machine-tool manufacturer — Haas Automation of Oxnard, Calif. — is left in the U.S. out of a once vibrant, thriving and innovative industry.
“The people and the technologies to make some of these products are being lost,” Frengel explains. “To get an industry like this back can take 10 to 15 years. Precision tooling, for example, is difficult to make, and the innovation and creative manufacturing culture is all being lost. It’s a huge cost, a loss that is very hard to recover from.”
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We are in a mess on the manufacturing front. I’m not convinced that enough key people understand the full implications of outsourcing more manufacturing.
This is a very serious issue.
Just read the IHT article. My impression was that Snow was talking utter non-sense. Makes one miss Bob Rubin.
I really have no idea how China buying US “financial services” is going to balance the trade deficit.
I think if a senior foreign official visited most of our communities and told us that we needed to do less of this and more of that, many would think that the guy is nuts.
Well, aside from the sheer embarrassment of having a foreign government official say it.
What are they thinking? Snow and others in this Administration have absolutely no common sense or respect for other cultures.
I’m not sure what Snow was trying to do to help the financial services industry in China. The major market access agreements are already in place, and the major banks are perfectly capable of lobbying the Chinese government directly if they need something.
Also the main focus of US banks is not consumer credit. The problem with retail banking is that you need things like tellers and branch offices. The Chinese banks already have those, and the main strategy of American companies trying to get into these sectors is to buy minority shares in Chinese banks and then try to export their back office expertise.
The main focus of American banks right now is corporate finance and banking (think the CNOOC deal). You don’t need as many boots on the ground and there is a huge untapped market for credit derivatives, IPO’s, M&A, and general corporate restructuring. Also, it’s something that Chinese banks don’t have much competitive advantage in.
Joseph –
I’ll bet money any of the big banks partnering up with a big chinese bank intends to use the SCBs branch network and deposit base to launch a consumer credit business. first they do some trials in a few places to set the parameters for their models, and then, bingo …
that can go together with old fashioned corp banking (and new fangled credit derivatives, tho i do wonder who in china is gonna be selling protection — it seems that the corporate sector has lots of restructuring to do before the incentive structure is such that credit derivatives make sense. just a guess tho); i suspect that the banks will initially focus on fx and interest rate options.
It is sometimes remarked upon by apparently knowledgable writers that only about 20% of the value of Chinese exports is value added by Chinese labor. The rest is raw materials and, importantly, high-value-added components sourced from other nations. A large part of the Chinese trade surplus is actually an additional increment to Japan’s trade surplus. Thus the continuing Japanese suppression of the yen/dollar exchange rate is a major factor that should not be lost sight of in the analysis. An article in today’s Barron’s commented on the price differential between comparable vehicles from GM and Toyota. Note that just a shift of the exchange rate back to the 80-yen/dollar level it reached in the 90s would eliminate that differential and make GM and Frd viable again. Moreover, to the degree that much of the Chinese trade surplus is really a masked, indirect Japanese trade surplus, the rise in dollar prices of Japanese components going into China for final assembly would also force up prices of Chinese exports — if 80% of the value of a Chinese product is Japanese parts, a 10% rise in the yen will force the Chinese price up 8%.
bsetser: In the case of consumer credit, the strategy of the big Western banks has been to buy minority stakes in Chinese banks and perhaps provide some of their own expertise in the mix. But by and large, the Western banks are not setting up their own independent consumer credit operations in the PRC (even though they will be allowed to under WTO rules).
The irony in all of this is that this scenario is the exact opposite that Gordon Chang talked about in the “Coming Collapse of China.” His argument was that competition from Western banks would cause Chinese savers to withdraw money from the big four banks and put them into Western banks causing the Chinese banks to collapse. What is actually happening is Western banks are buying into Chinese banks to get at the Chinese consumer credit market, and this is providing a large cash infusion that is letting the banks write off the last of the 1990′s non-performing loans.
The thing that I think is going to really be the “big thing” in China are asset-backed securities.
As far as corporate finance goes…. The real problem is that the financial structure of Chinese banks and corporations does not make any sense. You build a factory and you pay for it from bank loans. The trouble is that the bank loans are funded by demand deposits. So you have a long term capital expenditure funded by something that is financed by short term demand deposits.
It makes much more sense to issue a long term bond to fund long term projects.
Also, John Snow’s talk about Chinese lack of financial sophistication really rubbed me the wrong way. If you go into Wall Street, there are pretty large numbers of recent immigrants from the PRC that are running things, and the PRC is experiencing a pretty massive “brain gain” as these people go back home and start managing things there.
Part of the reason the PRC is going a little slow on these issues is that the economic policy makers are quite sharp, and they really do understand the dangers involved in making the wrong moves.
Also the talk about international-level hotels in Shanghai is also silly. The really big challenge and the really big money in China is going to come from services for the 800 million poor/middle class and not from the 80 million or so rich people.