McGregor’s long analysis piece in today's Financial Times (free link here) shows why. It is the best summary of China’s macroeconomic policy challenges – and the contractions associated with China’s current policies – that I have read in a long time.
If the discussion of macroeconomic policy in the today’s US-China Strategic Economic Dialogue is half as sophisticated, I would be surprised.
McGregor highlights a series of points that I think deserve a bit more attention.
One: China’s current development strategy actually hasn’t created many jobs. At least not given how fast China is growing.
For all the talk about how China cannot change its exchange rate until its surplus agricultural labor has been absorbed in the export sector, the available data doesn’t suggest that China's export machine has been a job creating machine. Far from it. Brazil (that’s right, Brazil) has done better.
“A focus on capital-intensive industry also runs counter to the economic task Beijing often professes to be its most pressing: creating enough jobs for the 15m workers who enter the labour force every year. China created fewer jobs (as a percentage of the workforce) between 1982 and 2006 than Brazil, even though it grew by an annual average of more than 10 per cent compared with Brazil’s 3-4 per cent, the IMF found.”
See the chart – from the IMF – that accompanies the article. China’s rapid economic growth has translated into rapid job growth. Talk about myths …
Two: Small moves in the RMB won’t have much impact so long as China’s labor productivity is growing fast.
“China’s increased labour productivity alone over the past two years has been enough to wipe out any cost increases – and therefore any decrease in export competitiveness – from the roughly 7 per cent appreciation in the renminbi against the dollar since mid-2005.”
China’s huge and still rapidly rising trade surplus – see the chart in the FT – isn’t simply the product of the RMB peg – and the RMB’s real depreciation over the past five years. A host of other policy changes increased Chinese competitiveness – WTO accession and SOE reform come to mind. But normally, such changes – along with the strong increase in productivity – would lead to a real appreciation, not a real depreciation!
Three: China’s exchange rate policy has contributed to high business savings in China.
It has increased the profitability of the export sector, obviously.
But it also has led the government to keep interest rates low, reducing Chinese firms’ cost of capital. As McGregor notes, the currency peg “[ties] the government’s hands on interest rates” and by prompting the government to keep rates low, helps Chinese firms:
“Such policies – low interest rates combined with cheap labour and land – make much investment in China highly profitable for enterprises, with little of the windfall going to workers. “Households are in effect subsidizing this low cost of capital because of the ceiling on deposit rates” says one China economist, who asked not to be named. “There has been a huge increase in profits, but they are not getting their share of it.”
Low deposit rates also make it far easier to hold down the interest rate on the central bank’s sterilization bills, and thus depositors help hold down the (short-run) cost of reserve accumulation.
Four: China’s effort to rebalance its economy aren’t working.
McGregor doesn’t pull any punches. The gap between China’s stated goals and the observed results is just too large.
For more than three years, Beijing has shouted from the rooftops that its economy is out of balance: too reliant on exports and investment for growth, with a dangerously high share of output from energy-intensive, polluting heavy industries.
But the plethora of policies rolled out to rebalance the economy has had little, if any, impact, partly because of their timidity and partly because the system is not responsive. Exports are still outpacing imports. Investment dominates at the expense of consumption. And heavy industry is still expanding, ensuring Beijing’s targets for increased energy efficiency have not been met.
I suspect Nick Lardy agrees with McGregor here.
The inability of China’s policy makers to change the basis of China’s growth over the past few years poses something of a puzzle. One argument is that the center has effectively lost control over the provinces. Central planning no longer works – in part because local governments don’t respond to the dictates from Beijing, in part because the government no longer fully controls the economy. Another argument is that Chinese policy makers simply have been unwilling to use the tools that they do have. Interest rates remain very low. The RMB hasn’t moved much against the dollar in nominal terms since 2005, and hasn’t moved at all in real terms.
China’s current trajectory poses another puzzle. In most countries that have pegged to the dollar over the past few years, rising inflation is generating a real currency appreciation. Argentina and the GCC countries are cases in point. That is consistent with macroeconomic theory: in principle, a country can target its nominal exchange rate, but not its real exchange rate.
In today’s Wall Street Journal, Matthew Slaughter of Dartmouth (and formerly of the CEA) draws on this theory to argue that China’s policy of targeting its exchange rate isn’t the source of China’s trade surplus, either with the US or with the world. He writes:
“The real economic forces of comparative advantage that drive trade flows operate regardless of which nominal prices central banks choose to fix.”
However, the argument that the nominal prices set by the central bank have no real impact seems to me to gloss over the central issue: China seems to have been able to both target its nominal and real exchange rate.
Chinese inflation generally has been lower than US inflation. Chinese inflation has picked up a bit recently, but it is basically at the same level as the US. Inflation hasn’t produced a real appreciation against the dollar.
Nor has it offset the RMB’s nominal depreciation against Europe. The RMB remains weaker in real terms than it was in 2002. Incidentally, I don’t the European example supports Slaughter’s argument that nominal exchange rates have no impact on trade. European imports from China grew at a much slower pace in the late 90s/ first part of this decade when the RMB was rising against the euro than they have more recently. China’s large bilateral surplus with Europe only emerged after the RMB started to depreciate in nominal terms against the euro.
Some argue that the absence of the kind of inflationary pressures that are so evident in the Gulf is evidence that the RMB really isn’t undervalued.
But Martin Wolf has argued – I think correctly – that RMB’s nominal price matters, as it induces China to take other policy actions to offset the stimulus from an undervalued exchange rates. By running a restrictive fiscal policy and by using a policy tool not available in most other countries – administrative curbs on bank lending – China has been able to push up domestic savings. In effect, by restricting bank lending and thus domestic demand growth China has been able to avoid a surge in inflation. As a result, it has been able to target both its real and its nominal exchange rate. (knzn has more on this point)
If that is the case, allowing the RMB to appreciate would trigger a host of other policy changes that would support a real appreciation in the RMB. China wouldn’t have to rely on administrative controls as heavily, for example. Or, perhaps, given that China’s red-hot stock market seems on the verge of pushing the entire economy into overdrive, China might be able to avoid introducing a new round of administrative tightening.
We know what happened back in 2004 when China really slammed on the breaks without letting the currency move: domestic demand growth slowed, and China’s current account surplus surged. A repeat of 2004 might make Stephen Green’s forecast for China’s current account surplus look conservative …
Update: Martin Wolf — drawing on a recent Roubini paper — has a bit more in tomorrow's FT. I eagerly await next week's installment, which will lay out Wolf's proposals to slow the truly astonishing current pace of reserve accumulation, in Asia and for that matter globally.
Trade Surplus under US Dollar Hegemony Prevents China from Saving
http://atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/IE23Cb03.html
With regard to Chinese savings, Paulson betrays his misunderstanding of the problem. China’s huge foreign exchange surplus is not voluntary. It is the structural result of US dollar hegemony in which the Chinese central bank must buy up the dollar inflow from both trade and investment with Chinese yuan. China cannot expand domestic consumption because Chinese wages and benefits are too low. Yet Chinese cannot raise wages faster because real wealth has been leaving the country through export trade while the yuan money supply is expanding through the central bank buying dollar inflows with yuan. The result is a liquidity bubble with too much currency chasing after a dwindling supply of real wealth that has been exported.
Unlike Japan and Germany where their governments have structured their economy to save rather than to consume, the Chinese trade surplus is not benefiting China fully because real domestic saving is not an option for China due to US dollar hegemony. Despite a trade surplus, Chinese consumers simply do not have enough income and benefits to consume more.
In 2004, Chinese global surplus was only 8% of US global trade deficit, about the same as The Netherlands. The impact of WTO accession since 2004 has pushed China’s net global trade surplus up to over 20% of US trade deficit. In 2005, US bilateral trade deficit with China was around $200 billion, about 25% of US total global deficit. But such rise was not caused by the yuan being too low, but by China’s inability to channel its trade surplus into higher Chinese wages and benefits because of dollar hegemony.
The Rush To Test Drugs In China
Despite ethical concerns, Big Pharma is recruiting more patients for clinical trials
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_22/b4036076.htm?campaign_id=yhoo
Many Western drug companies have had research bases in China since the 1990s. But the past 12 months have seen a flurry of new activity. In May of last year, AstraZeneca PLC (AZN ) committed $100 million in new research spending, much of it earmarked for cancer. In November, Novartis (NVS ) announced plans for a $100 million research and development center in Shanghai. And Eli Lilly & Co. (LLY ) has 35 trials under way involving thousands of patients. The company will enroll twice as many patients this year as in 2006—some in trials that would be hard to fill in the U.S., says Dr. Steven M. Paul, Lilly’s executive vice-president for science and technology. “We can do these very safely and quickly in China.”
Much of the appeal comes down to money. Running a trial in China may cost as little as 15% of what a company would pay in the West, says Reenita Das, Asia-Pacific vice-president for health care at consulting firm Frost & Sullivan Inc. In the case of VTI, maker of the artificial liver that helped Feng, the trial costs about $15,000 per patient, vs. $50,000 in the U.S. The decision to run the tests in Beijing was “a no-brainer,” says VTI Chairman Winters. “China beckons.”
Why China cannot allow the yuan to rise faster
http://atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/IE23Cb03.html
Widening the daily trading band is the latest and most noticeable in a long series of steps by Chinese officials to gently awaken businesses to the risks that fluctuating currencies can pose. China pegged the yuan at 8.28 to the dollar from 1997 to 2005, lulling some businesses into ignoring currency risk.
Chinese officials think that faster appreciation of the yuan could threaten “social stability.” Chinese workers making goods like textiles that compete with exports from even lower-wage countries would be hurt if currency appreciation makes their products uncompetitive and costs them their jobs. Two-thirds of China’s population still lives in rural areas and the agricultural sector is barely competitive with imports at current currency levels, raising the prospect of increased rural unemployment if the yuan rose sharply and the price of food imports falls to threaten domestic producers.
The US has run a trade surplus with the Netherlands every single month since the current trade series began in 1992. The author of the above, meanwhile, appears to claim that the US trade DEFICIT with the Netherlands was the same as that with China three years ago. That pretty much sets the standard for the accuracy of the rest, as well as the other conspiracy theories of that ilk.
Macroman,
Since the Chinese run trade deficits with South Korea and Japan, that implies the China yuan to be overvalued versus those nations’ currencies respectively. The Chinese also run a significant deficit with Saudi Arabia that implies the China yuan to be overvalued versus that nation’s currency. And Germany exports more to China despite the German population that is only a fraction of the Chinese population. In the real world, every nation will run surpluses with some nations and deficits with other nations. The United States runs trade deficits with many other nations in the world, but trade bashing runs especially high against China. US hostility toward China is rooted in its anti-socialist ideology. Until this mental phobia is cured, there will never be peace between the two nations.
DC — last I checked, the won’s appreciation hasn’t put a dent in Korea’s overall current account surplus. korea’s surplus is certainly far smaller than China’s or Japan’s — two Asian currencies that have not appreciated much v. the $ recently (and have depreciated v. the world).
Your Saudi example is specious – Saudi Arabia runs a deficit with Europe (i think, i haven’t confirmed), but that is b/c the Saudis sell their oil to Asia and the Us, not to Europe. If Saudi oil rather than Libyan, Norwegian, Russian and Algerian oil supplied the European market, S. Arabia would run a surplus there. What matter is the Saudis global balance.
And what matters at a global level is that an oil importing region (Asia) and the oil exporters are simultaneously running record surpluses, and the recent fall in the GCC’s surplus has been offset by a rise in China’s surplus.
the interesting argument against RMB appreciation is that the lack of domestic price pressures in china is telling us something. I argue that it mostly is telling us that China’s policy of holding the RMB down and using administrative measures to contain domestic demand growth (and lock up Chinese savings in deposits that are lent to the PBoC) has generally worked, and that an alternative policy of more appreciation and less demand restraint would produce a more internally balanced chinese economy.
but others have a different view.
If an author cannot manage to get basic details even remotely correct, how can one possibly take anything else that he/she/it says seriously?
Then why do you spend so much of your time responding to said author(s)?
“I eagerly await next week’s installment,”
gah! i know of at least one instance where wolf has hinted at a second instalment (promising to solve the world’s problems
and failed to deliver…
Has anyone checked whether Brazil’s better-than-China job creation is truly due to it’s own making or with the aid of Japan since there’s a significant number of Japanese population living in Brazil. Also, it’s fair to compare who’s doing a better job creation between a Communist country and a Democratic one?
Speaking of (stretched?) comparisons: “…China, in a somewhat similar situation as Russia, with a significantly undervalued currency the authorities are trying to keep down and very strong domestic demand growth, has raised the reserve requirements seven times over the past 11 months…” http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2007/05/23/008.html
I take the comparison with Brazil to be just a dig at China. Jobs in China in 1982 (“great iron bowl”) are not even in the same category as in 2006. And anyway productivity is what matters. The problem is distribution of the gain. I agree that labor’s share is too low. Here the mechanism at work is tilted too much in favor of capital: abundant surplus labor, no free labor union, no collective bargaining, non-enforcement of labor laws … Real reform in labor practices would go a long way towards creating real social and economic stability in China.
If China really wants to clamp down on export and reduce trade surpluses tax is a lot more efficient (or expedient, depending on one’s perspective) to achieve it. First take away the VAT rebate for all exports. Then add export tax to account for externalities. Of course it would be better in the long term to address resource/environmental/labor issues at the source (for both domestic consumption and exports) but as an effective short term fix export tax can be a lot easier to do. The just announced metal export tax is a step. I think press has not given it due respect: China exported 50 million tons of steel last year, that is about 30B worth of export right there. If China completely shuts it off (which I doubt) it will be a significant reduction in overall surplus.
the russia/ china comparison isn’t that stretched –
both have current account surpluses and both are attracting large net private capital inflows, ergo big reserve growth and massive sterilization demands.
“China’s current trajectory poses another puzzle. In most countries that have pegged to the dollar over the past few years, rising inflation is generating a real currency appreciation… That is consistent with macroeconomic theory: in principle, a country can target its nominal exchange rate, but not its real exchange rate.”
This theory you refer to is simplistic monetarist/new classical theory; macro theory is much more sophisticated than that, as you certainly know. China has some peculiarities on its own. One, fast growing productivity implies falling domestic prices… add on top demand pressure from an undervalued exrate and you may get a low but positive inflation rate.
Second, in your fine post you hinted at repressed demand (forced savings through administrative controls etc.). Yes, and more: acceleration theory of excess savings (an adapted version of the old island model of relative prices and inertial inflation). If you grow at 2% for years and suddenly you start growing at 10% you may think: “it’s a blip and in a few years normal times will come back again”, so permanent income behavior requires a surge in savings. China’s growth rate is concentrated in some regions but spreading: once a new region is caught by fast growth, its savings grow abnormally for a few years, then smooth out slowly.
+And of course there further are the usual well known theories such as insufficient welfare protection and other well known Chinese tales.
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Matthew Slaughter … argue that China’s policy of targeting its exchange rate isn’t the source of China’s trade surplus, either with the US or with the world. He writes:
“The real economic forces of comparative advantage that drive trade flows operate regardless of which nominal prices central banks choose to fix.”
MS is an expert of the supply chain of global enterprises, he’s definitely not a macroeconomist. He confuses comparative advantages with absolute advantages.
I am pleased that you found Richard McGregor’s piece to be of high quality. I thought so too and recommended it to clients to read. I find this comment of yours interesting:
“The inability of China’s policy makers to change the basis of China’s growth over the past few years poses something of a puzzle. One argument is that the center has effectively lost control over the provinces. Central planning no longer works – in part because local governments don’t respond to the dictates from Beijing, in part because the government no longer fully controls the economy. Another argument is that Chinese policy makers simply have been unwilling to use the tools that they do have.”
I would urge you to examine your last sentence more closely. Why do we take it for granted that they mean what they say about unbalanced growth, given their track record in geo-politics or economics?
You forget to mention a point that Richard Mcgregor notes in his piece: that China quietly removed tariff exemptions on the import of machinery and equipment recently.
The answer, in my personal view, lies in exploring the motivations behind the last sentence in your quote that I had highlighted above and I suspect (purely a hypothesis, at this stage) that the answer lies in what a domestic-led economy holds for the political future of the communist party.
Brad, the comparison between China and Russia is not streched at all, if we remeber how huge fortunes were amassed in Russia and look at how they are being made in China today.
The basic scheme is the same – elites make huge money at the expense of the overal population, and this article correctly notices it.
In case of late Soviet Union it was made via natural resourses – there were goverment sponsored prices for everything inside SU and the only thing you ever needed to get rich was an unkle in the Minisry of Foreign Trade or KGB to get you an exporting licence. After that you were making 1000+% margin in large volumes.
In case of China it’s again sponsored prices and very cheap labor due to low exchange ratem which again is goverment policy. And to get a lot of money from it you need the “administrative resourse”(this is a mordern Russian euphemism for corruption). As we know more that 90% of Chinees millioneers are children of China’s communist elite. It’s déjà vu all over again.
Ofcourse the major difference if that Chinees leaders do care about their contry more that about relationship with West, which was not the case for SU and led to collapse. But this situation leaves room for civil unrest at some point and leaves China vunurable to the same thing that happend in SU – West sponsored revolution and disintegration.
flipper,
Where did you get the “Dolphin” idea of China being vulnerable liking to the late Soviet Union. Your so-called “West sponsored revolution and disintegration” did not work on Cuba , Iran or Latin America. China’s culture and other countries’ are deeper and resilient than the West. By allowing immigration, the West is more vulnerable to secular communities and economies forming and transforming its demographics.
Let’s assume that China lets the market decide the value of the yuan, which would lead to a big appreciation. Other Asian currencies would probably follow. Who would finance then the US, who would buy US debt? The trade deficit wouldn’t turn to a surplus overnight. The wars would remain expensive. And the interest on the already accumulated debt would be still there. So the US would still need financing from somewhere.
1) AC, if Asian currencies were to appreciate, a logical presumption would be that US import prices and (market)interest rates would both rise. Each of these factors would, in the meium term, conspire to raise the savings rate in the US, which just about everyone would like to see. At the same time, an increase in Asian purcashing power could well encourage a reduction in the savings rate in the region, or at least encourage a reduction in distortions such as the substantial energyu and resource subsidies currently granted to Chinese firms. A recipe for balanced trade? No. A recipe for a reduction in imbalances and more “responsible” behvaiour? Yeah, I think it probably is.
2) Chinese inflaton: I’d concur with Gheorgius that a positive productivity shock is probably providing a disinflationary counter to easy monetary policy. Bear in mind though that if inflation measures included asset prices, Chinese inflation would be very high indeed. It is asset price inflation, rather than goods price inflation, that will likely be the ultimate driver of policy change in China.
3) “Another argument is that Chinese policy makers simply have been unwilling to use the tools that they do have.” China experts keep telling me not to underestimate politics. The authorities have zero inccentive to shake things up until after the October Party Congress and next year’s Olympics. The closing ceremony in Beijing may well prove to be the clarion call to buy financial market volatility…
4) “Then why do you spend so much of your time responding to said author(s)?” I know, I shouldn’t. But there’s so much good and interesting stuff on this board (including much from people with whom I disagree) that I can’t help myself from occasionally calling out the blatant falsehoods.
Thanks for the great post. It is amazing to me how many economists are writing on this stuff and writing so well to boot.
http://www.chinalawblog.com
Asian Man, the idea is actually mine. If you think that it’s stupid and such disparities between chineese elite, chinese middle class and rural population are not weakness – it’s your choice, but i beg to reconsider.
As for the countries mentioned – after Carribean crisis was resolved, Cuba was never considered a threat for US and it was living under the wing of SU. Iranian revolution has overthrown pro-US shah at the time the world was bi-polar. Let’s see what happens to Iran in several years to come. It’s the only country which can take leadership from US and it’s allies in middle east, and my opinion is that US won’t let it. I don’t not know what do you mean by Latin america – Venesuella?
Remeber US has already made an attempt to sponsor a revolution in China, 15 years ago, i don’t see any reasons why it can not happen again, espesially given it has sponsored 3 in former SU recently.
I was saying ‘stretched’ as the Ruble is not pegged, less exposed to the dollar – yes? – different economic and ‘geo-political’ base… might depend on one’s definition of the ‘fundamentals’.
As for the Chinese caring more about their people not sure where you get this. Looking beyond the past 15 years to the past 100, isn’t there a very long history of massive instability in both Russia and China: http://www.clingendael.nl/publications/2006/20060800_cdsp_occ_leitenberg.pdf – and I’m not sure how much of all this can be blamed on the ‘West’ which is, as you say, increasingly includes a whole bunch of people from ‘the East’ – many of them very wealthy – many with proportionately more influence on ‘Western’ policy.
I think McGregor’s article was well written and gave a good description of what’s going on in China.
I don’t know when things are going to correct, but I can’t imagine a situation where 3 people produce (China) what 1 person consumes (US) to be palatable for very long.
The economic issue vexing Chinese policymakers is the bipolar nature of China’s economy: there are actually two China’s within the Chinese nation.
1. The urban coastal cities of China consisting of the core middle class, increasingly modernized and integrated into the global economy.
2. The rural farm workforce in interior China consisting of two-thirds of the population, which supports the labor intensive production.
Western Economist pundits, who frequent luxury hotels in Beijing sipping Starbucks coffee, spout Neo-liberalism dogma and pretend that the Chinese rural population simply doesn’t exist. Further currency drastic revaluation of the yuan would result in social instability in China with Chinese rural farmers driven further into poverty, and the wealth gap further enlarged between urban and rural regions.
DC -
Just curious, but are western neo-liberal economist pundits imagining China’s SOE-sponsored Large Scale Chinese Industrial Piracy depicted here?!?! I suppose there is nothing The State or party can do about respecting intellectual trademark property, right? If I am not mistaking, it takes a reasonable amount of time, and fixed capital investment (operative term here being “fixed”) to undertake such obvious theft. These are not manufactured in CD/DVD kiosks, are they?
why ask for more everyone knows his stuff is “blatant falsehoods”
(1) A lot of terrific links here…anyone notice how lame the Strategic Economic Dialogue was, by the way? Ryan-Hunter or Grassley-Baucus-Schumer-Graham now have a good chance of passing by the end of the year. If not either of these bills, then some other of this sort.
(2) Dave-o-nomics, please read Dr. Setser’s post carefully instead of claiming that Western economists are responsible for trying to keep rural labor in China underpaid or unemployed. Dumping all over the US and the West for every problem in China is utterly predictable but unrealistic.
The evidence suggests it is China’s policies that keep rural labor down, not some crackpot IMF/World Bank/Wall Street/Global Satanist conspiracy. Somehow, I don’t think that the IMF and World Bank came up with the Hukou system that helps keep rural migrants from moving to urban areas and earning more–the Chinese government did. I also don’t think that ignoring domestically-oriented small- and medium-sized enterprises in interior areas was a good idea, either. Inequality in China is homegrown, period.
(3) Macro Man, Asian Man…you guys are too much. OK, I’ll bite
Oops…the earlier link to Hukou: China’s Caste System was not working. Sorry about that; the proper link is now here.
Oh Macroman, Emmanuel Man,
The Neo-liberal Wall Street line to the media, swallowed whole, is that by making Chinese money (yuan) more expensive to buy with dollars, Americans will buy fewer computers and toys from China — and industries will return back from China to the US Economy.
This will happen when we find Saddam’s Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Economics Lesson #1: You can’t change the value of goods by changing the value of the currency on the price tag. As Art Laffer wrote, “If cheap currency makes your products more competitive, all automobiles would be made in Russia.” Driven a Lada lately?
Economics Lesson #2: Don’t take economics lessons from George Bush. Or Milton Friedman. Or Thomas Friedman. What that means, class, is don’t believe the big, hot pile of hype that China’s zooming economy is the result of that nation’s adopting Neo-liberal free market economic policies.
China’s economy has soared because it stubbornly refused the Free – and Friedman-Market mumbo-jumbo that government should stop controlling, owning and regulating industry. Nobel Economist Joe Stiglitz explained to me that China’s huge financial surge — a stunning 9.5% jump in GDP this year — began with the government’s funding and nurturing rural cooperatives, and an Asian Developmental model Industrial policy that allocates capital to strategic sectors of the economy.
along with the talk about undervalued or overvalued, whether more depth on the criteria used to establish those different views and comparisons would be useful
if anyone who actually lives in China is able to risk a comment on the quality and safety of its food and health products.
One possible similarity between ‘China’ and ‘Russia’ is that so many of their ‘successful’ sectors seem to be based on JV’s with ‘Western’ companies – and that niether seem to have a whole lot of strong national brands: “Russian Machines… will produce auto parts in Russia with Canada’s Magna, the GAZ press office said Wednesday…” http://en.rian.ru/business/20070523/65975124.html
DC — not to put to fine a point on it, but didn’t George W Bush (tho perhaps not George Hebert Walker Bush) take economics lessons from Art Laffer? Remember those tax cuts?
Guest (aka flipper the “Skipper”),
No one’s comments will be considered “stupid”, only misguided actions and inactions.
Venezuela would be a start for Latin America.
There are weaknesses in all countries and we should help each other out. The principle of “Communism” was not meant to be labeled an “Evil Empire” but striving to distribute a nation’s wealth and burden equally, however perfect or not. Each country should solve its problems at its own pace without being pressured or tampered – things will improve if sufficient time is allowed to let it transpire. Countries should not sponsor revolutions in any other countries – it’s a waste of time and resources when they ought to be put in good use to improve the welfare of its own citizens.
Kash interpreting International Income Inequality from a Luxembourg stydy:
http://www.lisproject.org/publications/liswps/458.pdf
“To no one’s surprise, the ratio between rich (households in the top 10% of the income distribution) and poor (those in the bottom 10%) is considerably larger in the US than in any other rich democracy. Part of the explanation (though only a part, to be sure) is the fact that US government policies do considerably less to redistribute income than policies in other countries.
Why are Americans so much less interested in income distribution than, say, Canadians or Australians? I’m not sure. As we think about ways to improve the US’s rather tattered social safety net, that’s an issue worth thinking more about.”
Kash interpreting International Income Inequality from a study from a Luxembourg group:
http://www.lisproject.org/publications/liswps/458.pdf
“To no one’s surprise, the ratio between rich (households in the top 10% of the income distribution) and poor (those in the bottom 10%) is considerably larger in the US than in any other rich democracy. Part of the explanation (though only a part, to be sure) is the fact that US government policies do considerably less to redistribute income than policies in other countries.
Why are Americans so much less interested in income distribution than, say, Canadians or Australians? I’m not sure. As we think about ways to improve the US’s rather tattered social safety net, that’s an issue worth thinking more about.”
Sorry for the double post! A problem of my browser, I hope!
koteli
Asian Man, i agree, but you cann’t argue with reality. In reality US does what it does and it seems like it’s international politic is still guided by the desire do dominate entire planet.
And it’s not going to change anytime soon.
Strongly disagree with the jobs number.
Two factors:
1) between 1992 and 2006, China was shutting down inefficient state owned enterprises causing large amounts of unemployment. The net jobs numbers need to take it account that that China was shedding huge numbers of jobs as it moved to a market economy. The first people in line for these new jobs were the urban unemployed.
2) Most of the recent job growth has been in the informal sectors and may be hard to see in the statistics. Also, averaging over long periods of time hides a lot of shorter term changes. It makes no sense to be to average between 1982 and 2006, and I suspect that if you average over shorter periods you will get a better picture of what is going on.
http://twofish.wordpress.com/
One point. Henceforth, I’m going to be posting in a “semi-secret” identity rather than as Joseph Wang. I’m in the process of accepting employment from a Wall Street firm, and it is easier for me to not be easily identifiable.
The reason I feel compelled to post is basically because Dave Chiang gets it wrong, and if people with first hand information don’t post on blogs, this decreases public understand of the markets. I’m now one of the evil, nasty people DC thinks is trying to enslave China, and a core part of the conspiracy.
Things don’t work the way he thinks it does.
Twofish,
Had a glance of your blog will read more later — don’t be too tough on yourself or Dave Chiang. No one who makes comments is “evil or nasty,” only those doers that create wars and harm innocent people.
Peace my fellow