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		<title>By: RebelEconomist</title>
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		<dc:creator>RebelEconomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 02:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guest on 2007-07-01 13:28:35

Not quite.......to lower interest rates, the Fed buys more bonds and expands its balance sheet, so it should make more money for the taxpayer, not less.

But I am glad to see someone else taking an interest in monetary policy operations and their implications......I have pointed out in previous comments that the Fed is actually the largest central bank owner of US treasuries.  Greenspan could have found part of the answer to his condundrum in the Fed internal telephone directory if he had looked.  As far as I can tell, the people who pay are the holders of existing base money, which gets a bit diluted when the Fed supply more, and future buyers of interest bearing assets, who get a lower return because of competition from the Fed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guest on 2007-07-01 13:28:35</p>
<p>Not quite&#8230;&#8230;.to lower interest rates, the Fed buys more bonds and expands its balance sheet, so it should make more money for the taxpayer, not less.</p>
<p>But I am glad to see someone else taking an interest in monetary policy operations and their implications&#8230;&#8230;I have pointed out in previous comments that the Fed is actually the largest central bank owner of US treasuries.  Greenspan could have found part of the answer to his condundrum in the Fed internal telephone directory if he had looked.  As far as I can tell, the people who pay are the holders of existing base money, which gets a bit diluted when the Fed supply more, and future buyers of interest bearing assets, who get a lower return because of competition from the Fed.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 09:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bsetser on 2007-07-01 09:31:07

Quite agree with your point.

But it is silly for the writer of the article to mischaracterize CBs as 'investors' per se - they're risk managers. Nor is there any reason to fault them for running currency mismatches per se - that is the essence of FX reserve management.

The writer is attributing fault to normal function.

Now the massive size of some reserves and the motivation behind such size is something else - there it should be open season on criticism.

(And to stretch one point concerning the writer's Fed reference, one might instead fault the Fed for earning low CB profits, when it kept rates so low -i.e. lower earnings against a 0 cost monetary base. The incremental cost of running low rates in this sense could be viewed as a type of direct interest rate subsidization to borrowers (at a cost to the taxpayer) somewhat even if vaguely comparable to China's FX subsidization.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bsetser on 2007-07-01 09:31:07</p>
<p>Quite agree with your point.</p>
<p>But it is silly for the writer of the article to mischaracterize CBs as &#8216;investors&#8217; per se - they&#8217;re risk managers. Nor is there any reason to fault them for running currency mismatches per se - that is the essence of FX reserve management.</p>
<p>The writer is attributing fault to normal function.</p>
<p>Now the massive size of some reserves and the motivation behind such size is something else - there it should be open season on criticism.</p>
<p>(And to stretch one point concerning the writer&#8217;s Fed reference, one might instead fault the Fed for earning low CB profits, when it kept rates so low -i.e. lower earnings against a 0 cost monetary base. The incremental cost of running low rates in this sense could be viewed as a type of direct interest rate subsidization to borrowers (at a cost to the taxpayer) somewhat even if vaguely comparable to China&#8217;s FX subsidization.)</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 05:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point in myth four is actually right -- central banks have a big currency mismatch on their balance sheet that will generate big losses.  i wouldn't characterize this as bad financial management per so tho, as the losses typically reflect a policy (fx intervention to limit appreciation) imposed on the central bank by other policy makers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point in myth four is actually right &#8212; central banks have a big currency mismatch on their balance sheet that will generate big losses.  i wouldn&#8217;t characterize this as bad financial management per so tho, as the losses typically reflect a policy (fx intervention to limit appreciation) imposed on the central bank by other policy makers.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 02:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guest on 2007-07-01 05:38:54

'Myths' 3 and 4 are only in the mind of the writer of that article.

(The first 2 regarding the dollar and bonds are legitimate points).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guest on 2007-07-01 05:38:54</p>
<p>&#8216;Myths&#8217; 3 and 4 are only in the mind of the writer of that article.</p>
<p>(The first 2 regarding the dollar and bonds are legitimate points).</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...The Government of Singapore Investment Corporation, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority and other sovereign wealth funds are unquestionably sophisticated and growing factors in the markets... Collectively, however, these funds still own less than 2 per cent of the globe's financial assets, or less than a third of that managed by insurance companies... Central banks are banks - that is to say, against all of their assets they maintain liabilities. A sound banker minimises currency mismatches on his/her balance sheets - something few central banks actually do. Potential foreign currency trans-action losses that certain Asian and Latin American central banks now face could be as high as 3, 6 or 9 per cent of their country's gross domestic product. How might markets react if the Federal Reserve were to announce it had lost $1,000bn in foreign currency translations, the relative equivalent that some nations are now facing? ...sovereign investors need to ask themselves an even tougher question: how can they be dominant players in the foreign exchange and fixed-income markets and guardians of financial market stability at the same time?"  http://www.ft.com/cms/s/98e38d92-25dd-11dc-b338-000b5df10621.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;The Government of Singapore Investment Corporation, Abu Dhabi Investment Authority and other sovereign wealth funds are unquestionably sophisticated and growing factors in the markets&#8230; Collectively, however, these funds still own less than 2 per cent of the globe&#8217;s financial assets, or less than a third of that managed by insurance companies&#8230; Central banks are banks - that is to say, against all of their assets they maintain liabilities. A sound banker minimises currency mismatches on his/her balance sheets - something few central banks actually do. Potential foreign currency trans-action losses that certain Asian and Latin American central banks now face could be as high as 3, 6 or 9 per cent of their country&#8217;s gross domestic product. How might markets react if the Federal Reserve were to announce it had lost $1,000bn in foreign currency translations, the relative equivalent that some nations are now facing? &#8230;sovereign investors need to ask themselves an even tougher question: how can they be dominant players in the foreign exchange and fixed-income markets and guardians of financial market stability at the same time?&#8221;  <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/98e38d92-25dd-11dc-b338-000b5df10621.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/98e38d92-25dd-11dc-b338-000b5df10621.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HZ on 2007-06-30 19:57:21

Your phrase 'careful consideration' may be the key.

PBOC is a macro risk manager of FX and domestic monetary policy. Management motivation and policy must be driven by this. To the extent 'return' is a factor in assessing management results, it must be a macro interpretation, beyond the isolated result of the PBOC balance sheet.

SIC is an investment manager, constrained by FX and domestic monetary policy parameters, as determined by PBOC. Whatever its balance sheet structure, investment performance can only be measured fairly by focusing on the asset risk and return, ex the complications of FX and domestic monetary policy complications of PBOC policy. It's investment management effectiveness shouldn't necessarily measured according to its accounting result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HZ on 2007-06-30 19:57:21</p>
<p>Your phrase &#8216;careful consideration&#8217; may be the key.</p>
<p>PBOC is a macro risk manager of FX and domestic monetary policy. Management motivation and policy must be driven by this. To the extent &#8216;return&#8217; is a factor in assessing management results, it must be a macro interpretation, beyond the isolated result of the PBOC balance sheet.</p>
<p>SIC is an investment manager, constrained by FX and domestic monetary policy parameters, as determined by PBOC. Whatever its balance sheet structure, investment performance can only be measured fairly by focusing on the asset risk and return, ex the complications of FX and domestic monetary policy complications of PBOC policy. It&#8217;s investment management effectiveness shouldn&#8217;t necessarily measured according to its accounting result.</p>
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		<title>By: HZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>HZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,
I agree it can be done if the MOF buys Fx with its RMB borrowing, retains the currency risk and contributes Fx as equity capital. However my understanding is that the legislation authorizing the bond calls it a special bond and stipulates that it will be paid off through investment income. It can be done but without careful consideration it could embed misalignment of interests somewhere in the chain.

RE/Guest,
Of course it makes no difference to China as a whole how this thing is set up, but imagine if somehow the PBoC governors and staffs' salaries are tied to the balance sheet at the PBoC, what kind of policy recommendations do you think will come out of the PBoC then? The SIC will be a separate profit seeking entity, meaning it will not operate out of the state budget. How they earn their money will certainly determine their view and they will have powerful tie to the MOF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,<br />
I agree it can be done if the MOF buys Fx with its RMB borrowing, retains the currency risk and contributes Fx as equity capital. However my understanding is that the legislation authorizing the bond calls it a special bond and stipulates that it will be paid off through investment income. It can be done but without careful consideration it could embed misalignment of interests somewhere in the chain.</p>
<p>RE/Guest,<br />
Of course it makes no difference to China as a whole how this thing is set up, but imagine if somehow the PBoC governors and staffs&#8217; salaries are tied to the balance sheet at the PBoC, what kind of policy recommendations do you think will come out of the PBoC then? The SIC will be a separate profit seeking entity, meaning it will not operate out of the state budget. How they earn their money will certainly determine their view and they will have powerful tie to the MOF.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RebelEconomist on 2007-06-30 15:16:04

Well put ... totally agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RebelEconomist on 2007-06-30 15:16:04</p>
<p>Well put &#8230; totally agree.</p>
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		<title>By: RebelEconomist</title>
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		<dc:creator>RebelEconomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't understand all the fuss about China's SWF - both its yuan borrowing and investment activity.  It will be just another state institution managing what are effectively foreign exchange reserves.  The yuan it borrows would have been borrowed by the central bank in sterlisation bills anyway.  It seems unlikely that the SWF will be allowed to run different currency exposure from SAFE - otherwise it could force SAFE to offset its currency moves.  The main difference I expect the SWF to make is to invest in a wider range of investments than SAFE, particularly less liquid ones, such as private equity (hence the Blackstone stake) and maybe hedge funds, and ones that public sector fund managers are not used to, such as equities, commodities and property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand all the fuss about China&#8217;s SWF - both its yuan borrowing and investment activity.  It will be just another state institution managing what are effectively foreign exchange reserves.  The yuan it borrows would have been borrowed by the central bank in sterlisation bills anyway.  It seems unlikely that the SWF will be allowed to run different currency exposure from SAFE - otherwise it could force SAFE to offset its currency moves.  The main difference I expect the SWF to make is to invest in a wider range of investments than SAFE, particularly less liquid ones, such as private equity (hence the Blackstone stake) and maybe hedge funds, and ones that public sector fund managers are not used to, such as equities, commodities and property.</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think that the SIC managers incentives should be set up so that they are rewarded for outperforming a dollar or euro benchmark -- not for producing positive rmb rates of return.   the rmb/ $ and rmb/ euro is out of their control -- and the SIC realistically is about minimizing losses (on the rmb move) as much as maximizing returns.

A separate question -- does anyone know of an emerging economy (other than vennie) that reduced its reserves in q1?  I am puzzled by the COFER data, and one potential answer is an emerging economy that shifted reserves to an investment co or otherwise did something that lowered the unallocated total below China's plus 135b.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that the SIC managers incentives should be set up so that they are rewarded for outperforming a dollar or euro benchmark &#8212; not for producing positive rmb rates of return.   the rmb/ $ and rmb/ euro is out of their control &#8212; and the SIC realistically is about minimizing losses (on the rmb move) as much as maximizing returns.</p>
<p>A separate question &#8212; does anyone know of an emerging economy (other than vennie) that reduced its reserves in q1?  I am puzzled by the COFER data, and one potential answer is an emerging economy that shifted reserves to an investment co or otherwise did something that lowered the unallocated total below China&#8217;s plus 135b.</p>
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