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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2007/08/17/conduits-sivs-cash-hoarding-commercial-paper-restructuring-and-such/#comment-99120</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these Tett fans understand the markets Tett covers only sligtly less than she does. she frequently gets details plain wrong and journalists like her are responsbile for a huge chunk of the issues going on right now.

sure many of these complex structures should have never have been put together in the first place let alone rated what they were. but she has not shed light on these investments as much as she has shed alarmed prose on yellow ahem pink paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these Tett fans understand the markets Tett covers only sligtly less than she does. she frequently gets details plain wrong and journalists like her are responsbile for a huge chunk of the issues going on right now.</p>
<p>sure many of these complex structures should have never have been put together in the first place let alone rated what they were. but she has not shed light on these investments as much as she has shed alarmed prose on yellow ahem pink paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am not the right persoon to ask -- not my speciality. I would tend to be surprised if a big universal bank (think citi) which is part of a big financial firm that does banking/ &lt;a href=&quot;http://insurance-rapid.info&quot;&gt;insurance&lt;/a&gt;/ i-banking and the like turned to a Home Loan Bank for liquidity, but that may just betray my total lack of knowledge about this topic ...
Written by bsetser on 2007-08-17 14:21:30

I am always amazed at how little knowledge is left at large firms once their cash flow is compromised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am not the right persoon to ask &#8212; not my speciality. I would tend to be surprised if a big universal bank (think citi) which is part of a big financial firm that does banking/ <a href="http://insurance-rapid.info">insurance</a>/ i-banking and the like turned to a Home Loan Bank for liquidity, but that may just betray my total lack of knowledge about this topic &#8230;<br />
Written by bsetser on 2007-08-17 14:21:30</p>
<p>I am always amazed at how little knowledge is left at large firms once their cash flow is compromised.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...Where charm, the right accent or family background and a foreign language once guaranteed a job in an undemanding backwater of the banking business, requirements have changed. Once, clients were happy to have safe but low-yielding fixed-interest bonds in their portfolios. But the better informed clients of today demand better performance. And that requires a new breed of private banker with improved financial skills... traditional apprenticeships remain central for the bulk of appointments in Switzerland, which is home to an estimated one-third of the world&#039;s offshore wealth... But the sheer rise in demand have led banks to start recruiting more graduates...&quot; http://www.ft.com/cms/s/88f06f0a-49b8-11dc-9ffe-0000779fd2ac.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Where charm, the right accent or family background and a foreign language once guaranteed a job in an undemanding backwater of the banking business, requirements have changed. Once, clients were happy to have safe but low-yielding fixed-interest bonds in their portfolios. But the better informed clients of today demand better performance. And that requires a new breed of private banker with improved financial skills&#8230; traditional apprenticeships remain central for the bulk of appointments in Switzerland, which is home to an estimated one-third of the world&#8217;s offshore wealth&#8230; But the sheer rise in demand have led banks to start recruiting more graduates&#8230;&#8221; <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/88f06f0a-49b8-11dc-9ffe-0000779fd2ac.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/88f06f0a-49b8-11dc-9ffe-0000779fd2ac.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: http://www.highyieldblog.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it makes a lot of sence for hedge fund investors to check the offering memo before they invest and check out if the manager can overrule the administrator in regards to marking positions to market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it makes a lot of sence for hedge fund investors to check the offering memo before they invest and check out if the manager can overrule the administrator in regards to marking positions to market.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2007/08/17/conduits-sivs-cash-hoarding-commercial-paper-restructuring-and-such/#comment-99116</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bitter disputes are developing behind the scenes in the hedge fund industry about the way funds are valuing some assets for their end-of-month performance reports. In particular, the recent violent swings in the credit markets are making it unusually hard for some funds to agree the value of these assets with their administrators... It may even form fertile ground for future lawsuits, since sharp differences in the perceived value of hedge fund portfolios could influence investor confidence... Worse still, the sharp swings in credit prices now also make it hard to value instruments according to market or broker quotes. &quot;Illiquidity is making those month-end [valuation] marks look atrocious,&quot;... in the mainstream credit default swaps sector the bid-offer spread can now now be &quot;as high as 20 basis points&quot; (or between 5 and 20 per cent of the actual spread)... with banks now raising margin calls, some weaker funds are scrambling for survival - raising the pressure for accounting tricks.... &quot;You are getting a distressed subprime asset which one person values at 20 cents in the dollar, and someone else values at 40 cents...&quot; http://www.ft.com/cms/s/396559be-4067-11dc-9d0c-0000779fd2ac.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bitter disputes are developing behind the scenes in the hedge fund industry about the way funds are valuing some assets for their end-of-month performance reports. In particular, the recent violent swings in the credit markets are making it unusually hard for some funds to agree the value of these assets with their administrators&#8230; It may even form fertile ground for future lawsuits, since sharp differences in the perceived value of hedge fund portfolios could influence investor confidence&#8230; Worse still, the sharp swings in credit prices now also make it hard to value instruments according to market or broker quotes. &#8220;Illiquidity is making those month-end [valuation] marks look atrocious,&#8221;&#8230; in the mainstream credit default swaps sector the bid-offer spread can now now be &#8220;as high as 20 basis points&#8221; (or between 5 and 20 per cent of the actual spread)&#8230; with banks now raising margin calls, some weaker funds are scrambling for survival &#8211; raising the pressure for accounting tricks&#8230;. &#8220;You are getting a distressed subprime asset which one person values at 20 cents in the dollar, and someone else values at 40 cents&#8230;&#8221; <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/396559be-4067-11dc-9d0c-0000779fd2ac.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/396559be-4067-11dc-9d0c-0000779fd2ac.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: http://www.highyieldblog.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2007/08/17/conduits-sivs-cash-hoarding-commercial-paper-restructuring-and-such/#comment-99115</link>
		<dc:creator>http://www.highyieldblog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that now would be a good time for regulators to require broker/dealers to disseminate structured credit transactions via TRACE in the same form as they report trades for all corporate bonds denominated in usd. even when a lot of cdo tranches do not trade on a day to day basis this will in very short time stil provide sufficient data points to require market participants to move away from the mark-to-model nonsence which they currently apply. Also I would strongly recommend that prime brokers need to report the  leverage which they provide to their hedge fund clients versus the (real) market value of hedge fund collateral.both would in my view be big eye openers at this point in time but improve the global financial system in the long run. best regards guenter leitold</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that now would be a good time for regulators to require broker/dealers to disseminate structured credit transactions via TRACE in the same form as they report trades for all corporate bonds denominated in usd. even when a lot of cdo tranches do not trade on a day to day basis this will in very short time stil provide sufficient data points to require market participants to move away from the mark-to-model nonsence which they currently apply. Also I would strongly recommend that prime brokers need to report the  leverage which they provide to their hedge fund clients versus the (real) market value of hedge fund collateral.both would in my view be big eye openers at this point in time but improve the global financial system in the long run. best regards guenter leitold</p>
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		<title>By: Ponzi Q. Globalization</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ponzi Q. Globalization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 05:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There is a famous theorem in finance which says that there isn&#039;t such a thing as a free lunch (&quot;the no arbitrage theorem&quot;). It essentially says that you can&#039;t have more return with assuming more risk. If you want something safe, it&#039;s yield is going to be low. If you want more yield, then you are going to have more risk. If you *think* you are getting higher yields without more risk, then you aren&#039;t looking close enough.&lt;/i&gt;

Theorem? Well, I guess. But it&#039;s easily proven not to be a universal truth and, therefore, it&#039;s a false theorem. This is a perfect example why finance and, more broadly, economics is not a science. It&#039;s weird that things as fundamental to economic relationships as existing differences in wealth, political power, control, and information access along with the ever present use of fraud are neglected so often.

If I neglected air resistance and asserted that a feather and a bowling ball dropped from some height would hit the ground at the same time in the real world, I&#039;d be laughed at. Yet economists often neglect equally important facts and still make pronouncments on policy as if the facts were negligible. They should be laughed at too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There is a famous theorem in finance which says that there isn&#8217;t such a thing as a free lunch (&#8221;the no arbitrage theorem&#8221;). It essentially says that you can&#8217;t have more return with assuming more risk. If you want something safe, it&#8217;s yield is going to be low. If you want more yield, then you are going to have more risk. If you *think* you are getting higher yields without more risk, then you aren&#8217;t looking close enough.</i></p>
<p>Theorem? Well, I guess. But it&#8217;s easily proven not to be a universal truth and, therefore, it&#8217;s a false theorem. This is a perfect example why finance and, more broadly, economics is not a science. It&#8217;s weird that things as fundamental to economic relationships as existing differences in wealth, political power, control, and information access along with the ever present use of fraud are neglected so often.</p>
<p>If I neglected air resistance and asserted that a feather and a bowling ball dropped from some height would hit the ground at the same time in the real world, I&#8217;d be laughed at. Yet economists often neglect equally important facts and still make pronouncments on policy as if the facts were negligible. They should be laughed at too.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2007/08/17/conduits-sivs-cash-hoarding-commercial-paper-restructuring-and-such/#comment-99113</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and look at Coventree&#039;s chart as Mr. Market tries to (re)assess its&#039; fair value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and look at Coventree&#8217;s chart as Mr. Market tries to (re)assess its&#8217; fair value.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;impression that they can only be used for bad things&quot;

not my impression, and although it&#039;s been a while since I&#039;ve read Jensen, he also seems to do a good job of making that point. But as with any innovative technology, and anything that requires a whole lot of rules and &#039;structures&#039;, the potential for bad applications, misunderstandings and mistakes seems to be infinite. Coventry desribes itself as &quot;a niche investment bank specializing in structured finance using securitization-based financing technology&quot; http://www.coventree.ca/template.asp?menuID=17&amp;MIDI=17</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;impression that they can only be used for bad things&#8221;</p>
<p>not my impression, and although it&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve read Jensen, he also seems to do a good job of making that point. But as with any innovative technology, and anything that requires a whole lot of rules and &#8217;structures&#8217;, the potential for bad applications, misunderstandings and mistakes seems to be infinite. Coventry desribes itself as &#8220;a niche investment bank specializing in structured finance using securitization-based financing technology&#8221; <a href="http://www.coventree.ca/template.asp?menuID=17&#038;MIDI=17" rel="nofollow">http://www.coventree.ca/template.asp?menuID=17&#038;MIDI=17</a></p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>black swan: Does anyone out there know of a safe place to put money that still gets some kind of a yield?

There is a famous theorem in finance which says that there isn&#039;t such a thing as a free lunch (&quot;the no arbitrage theorem&quot;).  It essentially says that you can&#039;t have more return with assuming more risk.  If you want something safe, it&#039;s yield is going to be low.  If you want more yield, then you are going to have more risk.  If you *think* you are getting higher yields without more risk, then you aren&#039;t looking close enough.

Also, for a small investor (anyone with less than say $10 million), yields really don&#039;t matter.  What matters to the small investor are taxes and brokerage fees, and you end up in a far better position by looking at minimizing those than you will at looking at yields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>black swan: Does anyone out there know of a safe place to put money that still gets some kind of a yield?</p>
<p>There is a famous theorem in finance which says that there isn&#8217;t such a thing as a free lunch (&#8221;the no arbitrage theorem&#8221;).  It essentially says that you can&#8217;t have more return with assuming more risk.  If you want something safe, it&#8217;s yield is going to be low.  If you want more yield, then you are going to have more risk.  If you *think* you are getting higher yields without more risk, then you aren&#8217;t looking close enough.</p>
<p>Also, for a small investor (anyone with less than say $10 million), yields really don&#8217;t matter.  What matters to the small investor are taxes and brokerage fees, and you end up in a far better position by looking at minimizing those than you will at looking at yields.</p>
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