Danish honesty (on the no-longer-strong dollar)

by Brad Setser
November 25, 2007

Teis Knuthsen of Danske Bank:

“Secretary Paulson claims the strong dollar policy remains in place but also that FX rates should be set in the markets, a combination that is currency inconsistent.”

Sounds about right.   Martin Wolf makes essentially the same point, citing the work of Wynn Godley and others at the Levy institute.

As Wynne Godley of Cambridge university and co-authors point out, a sustained improvement in US net trade will offset at least a part of the likely sluggishness in domestic demand.* This is why the US authorities talk about a strong dollar, but do not mean it. They want a retreating dollar, but one that does not turn into a rout.

US policy makers are caught in a dilemma.   

On one hand, essentially no one believes that the US actually has a strong dollar policy.   The reiteration of the existing US policy therefore has almost no impact.

And – it should be noted – the “strong dollar” policy has never meant that the US would direct its monetary policy toward maintaining the dollar’s external value rather than stabilizing the domestic economy.   Right now, former Secretary Summers believes stabilizing the domestic economy requires putting emphasis on supporting demand growth

“Maintaining demand must be the over-arching macro-economic priority. That means the Fed has to get ahead of the curve and recognise – as the market already has – that levels of the Fed Funds rate that were neutral when the financial system was working normally are quite contractionary today.”

The strong dollar policy – in my view — was always more a way for the Treasury to talk about the dollar without moving markets than a policy commitment to dollar strength no matter what.  Remember, two of the three Rubin/ Summers interventions were to weaken the then too-strong dollar.  Repeating the same phase avoids sending any new signals to the market, and thus helps the market — at least in theory — set the currency's value.

The policy commitment behind the United States' strong dollar policy certainly never matched the policy commitment behind China’s weak RMB policy – a policy that requires that China intervene heavily in the fx market, hold domestic interest rates down and increasingly run a fiscal surplus. 

On the other hand, the rest of the world would be quite upset if the US actually abandoned its current strong dollar policy.  Ending the “strong dollar” mantra could be interpreted as a signal that the US wants an even weaker dollar.   It might push the dollar down further.  It certainly would antagonize a lot of other major players – most of Europe’s political leaders, the ECB, China — in the world economy.

The result:  US policy makers end up repeating words that almost no one believes have real content.   And the rest of the world spends a lot of effort encouraging the US to keep repeating words that few think have much content. 

But finding a new policy isn’t going to be easy.   The dollar is simultaneously very weak by any historical standard v Europe and quite strong v most of Asia.  And yes, that means European currencies are very, very strong v most Asian currencies.   The result is talk of both a new Louvre (a deal to support the dollar) and a new Plaza (a deal to bring the dollar down in an orderly way).   

I liked Knuthsen’s three pronged analysis of the sources of dollar weakness: 

One, the US is growing more slowly than the world:

“As long as the US performs, or is expected to perform more poorly than comparable economies, then a fall in the dollar is a logical consequence.”

Two, the world has lost confidence in US “financial technology” and thus a lot of the “product” the US was trying to sell the world — a point that Dani Rodrik has also made.   Knuthsen: “We are currently in the midst of a global financial crisis that has at its epicenter US financial institutions and structured products on US financial instruments.”   CDOS stuffed with US residential mortgage backed securities are even harder to sell than Hummers right now – 

Three a set of oil exporters are – at the margin – purchasing fewer dollars and more euros, yen and Asian currencies.   I am not sure what fraction of the Gulf investment funds’ aggregate portfolio is now in Asia – probably more than 10% but less than 20%.   But there are lots of signs that their Asian portfolio is smaller than they would like and that the Gulf’s dollar portfolio is a bit larger than the key players might like.  One of Dubai's funds wants to put 30% of its portfolio Asia, far more than it has now.

But Gulf to Asian flows have not been allowed to push Asian currencies up.  Asian central banks are intervening to avoid that outcome.  While Gulf to Europe flows, Russian flows to Europe and American flows to Europe have been allowed to push the Euro up.   As Knuthsen notes in a useful analysis of Europe’s basic balance, Euroland is now is attracting huge portfolio inflows in the absence of a Euroland current account deficit.   

Euroland financial institutions use the inflow to finance deficits in Eastern Europe – acting as true global intermediaries.

But the overall result is that the euro is appreciating against dollar – but  most Asian currencies are not.   Not really.  There are some changes recently – the yen has appreciated along with the euro over the past few weeks.   But China, India, Thailand and a host of others are not intervening quite significantly to keep their currencies from appreciating (and, as a result, keeping the dollar from depreciating).   

I am not sure how much longer this pattern can be sustained. 

It implies a pattern of global adjustment that will be driven far more by a rise in Asia’s surplus with Europe than a fall in the United States overall deficit (though both of course will happen).    The “Chimerican” deficit will fall because of a rise in China’s surplus.    And it also implies that the US will become even more dependent on Asian central bank flows (and SWF flows) than it is now.   Asian central banks end up taking an even bigger risk to its balance sheet by taking on an even big share of the burden of financing the US.  

And on the trade side, the entire burden of adjustment has to be absorbed by Europe not by Asia.

In other words: Same old, same old. 

At the same time, the costs of maintaining this constellation are quite obviously rising.

Dooley, Garber and Folkerts-Landau (of Bretton Woods 2 fame) argue that Europe will be forced to intervene to prop up the dollar – and in effect, Europe will join Asia in maintaining a de facto peg to the dollar.   The fall in private demand for US assets associated with the subprime/ structured product crisis will induce even more official support. 

Another possibility is that the costs of absorbing huge quantities of dollars will prove too much for even China to bear – and China (along with the Gulf) will be forced to let its currency adjust.

I tend to think China will allow faster RMB appreciation before the ECB joins the PBoC in propping up the dollar.   But I don’t have a lot of confidence in that view.   By contrast,    I am fairly confident that the status quo is untenable.    Barring a return in private demand for US assets that takes pressure off European, Asian and even American policy makers, something has to give.

Update: Lex on verbal intervention, and the possibility of actual intervention (Lex though seems to have forgotten about Japan's quite large intervention in 2003 and 2004, and for that matter New Zealand's intervention earlier this year.  Developed countries most certainly have intervened since 2001, just not the US and most of Europe) 

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  • Posted by Slovenly American Consumer

    “Barring a return in private demand for US assets that takes pressure off European, Asian and even American policy makers, something has to give.”

    I just hope it’s not my 3000 sq ft house, 4000 calorie diet, two SUVs, Lake Tahoe timeshare, big screen HDTV, ipod, season tickets to 49ers games and cushy retirement.

  • Posted by Guest

    There is a contradiction in your post in that you say almost no one believes the “strong dollar policy” mantra yet if the US abandoned saying this, it would be bad for the dollar. ??!! I find it much easier to explain why Paulson, etc. keep mouthing the strong dollar mantra by simply noting that this administration tells lies all the time, as a habit, rather than trying to figure out if they actually believe what they say.

  • Posted by bsetser

    I don’t think it is a contradiction in my post so much as a contradiction in the policy, or perhaps not so much a contradiction as a paradox. Abandoning a policy that you don’t really have (at least not with content) would still be considered news, and might move markets. Reiterating the strong dollar mantra has little impact. But not stating the mantra would be perceived as an attempt to push the $ down.

    I though do find it a bit surprising why a range of Europeans consider it to be vitally important (insert the precise words) for Paulson to stick to the strong dollar rhetoric when it is pretty clear that it doesn’t have much practical impact.

  • Posted by julieng

    Add to this the lowest main rate of G7 (apart japan)
    This time lowering the fed funds rate will play against the economic rebound.
    M.Bernanke should wait the end of the cycle but he won’t. You may talk about re/de coupling anyway
    in the very near term a BRIC wall is waiting you.
    Easing is useless in the middle of a credit crunch,
    you loose precious ammunition for after.
    USA is spending his last basis points like chewing gum.
    The main rate will be very important to attract capital in the future, it’s time to rethink this neo-keynesian simplistic approach based on refinancing the US consumer, the US consumer is no more the customer of the world.
    You will be surprised brazil is doing very well,
    Asean is on track, russia is hardened, China will be hit hard but it can handle a lot and Europe is the new target.
    Inflation is here to stay only the Fed and the BoE
    will ease significantly, de-peg is around the corner. So the FF rate will be one of the lowest
    main rate in the world pushing the $ down for a long period of time.

  • Posted by julieng

    I guess this is not a good news for the dollar

    Dollar Displaces Yen, Franc as Favorite for Funding Carry Trade
    Nov. 26 (Bloomberg)

    A basket of currencies including the British pound, Brazilian real and Hungarian forint financed with dollars returned 17 percent this year,

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aWMXWN6PFHa4&refer=home

  • Posted by euro

    Sorry Brad,

    I miss MacroMan comments lately, in your posts.

    I could be because I think (correct me if I’m wrong) because you are using his post about the Fed working on domestic economy and not the external value of the dollar (strong dollar policy).

    I appreciate you a lot, and also your work, but I think that in this post you are mixing apples and oranges, or further, making a sort of “nouvelle cuisine” exotic salad.

    Mixing global economic troubles, avoiding the financial mess, and Fed policy, in a single post is not good for you and less for us.

    Please, take off your speculation about ECB future moves, and try to give us some light in global imbalances and their consequences, or try to explain the fed moves, macro-economically or/and financially.

    Sorry for my tone,

    Best regards

    PS: Your clear and crisp description of the global economic flows deserve a lot of consideration by every reader of this blog and the brightest economists. Go on in the old way, please. Sorry.

  • Posted by bsetser

    euro — I am confused. Macroman has certainly made the point about the fed putting primacy on domestic considerations rather than the dollar’s external value in the past, but then again so have I. Indeed, I have constantly noted that the world’s central banks have financed the US even though the US is not committed to defending the dollar’s external value. The Fed has, in various publications/ consultations with the IMF made this very very clear.

    If the Fed thinks domestic conditions warrant lower US policy interest rates, they will cut — no matter what the consequences for the dollar. If the fed thinks dollar weakness risks inflation, they won’t cut. But right now my sense is that they are not convinced that there is a strong link between dollar weakness and inflation, and are increasingly convinced that the conditions in the credit market will have an impact on the real economy. I agree with Summers here.

    And yes, this post ranged broadly, but it seems like there are a lot of big issues on the table, or rather one big question — whether or not the US can sustain a counter-cyclical macro policy with a large deficit without triggering a dollar crisis — is being put to the test.

    I did reference the Dooley et al argument that Europe might intervene rather than let the euro appreciate — but I conceded that this is a rather speculative argument. And it seems a relevant point now, as they have a long-standing prediction that runs contrary to one of my long-standing arguments. They say more pressure will lead to more intervention, including by europe. I have in the past argued that more pressure is likely to prompt policy change in Asia.

    My main point (apart from the fact that the US is caught in a bit of a rhetorical trap where it is forced to repeat a policy statement that few really believe at some cost to its credibility b/c not repeating it would be a signal) is that a constellation of forces that leads the dollar to depreciate against Europe but not against emerging asia (which is intervening instead) is putting growing strains on Europe. Do you disagree with that point?

  • Posted by bsetser

    p.s. No matter what you think of my post, do look at the two Knuthsen pieces. Both are interesting.

  • Posted by GSM

    I think there is now no doubt that the Fed will cut IR’s. The real question is at what pace.Will it be dramatic in response to the rapidly unfolding credit crisis and risk a panic out of the dollar and the attendant inflationary effects? Or will the Fed opt to take a gradualist approach as data from the real economy confirms, and risk being labelled unresponsive and kicking off a recession? No doubt that the gradual approach is preferred. Reading what utterances are coming of late from the Fed (and I know this can be fraut with danger) my suspicion is that they will go gradually until events force them to do otherwise. And the Fed has many tools to deploy alongside Fed Funds rate cuts. I believe Brad’s assessment of the Fed’s view on the dollar to be spot on. The Treasury will be held accountable for dollar performance and Hank doesnt seem too perturbed on that issue. Which to me is signalling; the Fed should not let the dollar’s exchange rates be a concern, unless it shows up in inflation data.Just make sure the economy stays out of recession.(We know how understated official inflation numbers are)

    IR cuts are a forgone conclusion- the rate at which they are cut is definately not.That is big the uncertainty.

  • Posted by Guest

    “Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers says “the odds now favor a U.S. recession that slows growth significantly on a global basis.” Mr. Summers… wrote that just three months ago “it was reasonable to expect that the subprime credit crisis would be a financially significant event, but not one that would threaten the overall pattern of economic growth. This is still a possible outcome but no longer the preponderant probability,” he said. The former Clinton administration official, now teaching at Harvard University and a managing director at hedge fund D.E. Shaw Group, offered three reasons for his current gloomy view…

    “Summers also thinks girls are inherently inferior in certain intellectual skills (though this may be something of a tempest in a teapot, especially compared with the Andre Schleifer affair)… Freakonomics is a fun mental exercise, like Sudoku or cryptic crosswords, but the man is given to saying things that are provocative for the sake of provocation…” http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2007/11/25/summers-odds-now-favor-recession/

  • Posted by Anonymous

    bws – ” If the Fed thinks domestic conditions warrant lower US policy interest rates, they will cut — no matter what the consequences for the dollar. If the fed thinks dollar weakness risks inflation, they won’t cut. But right now my sense is that they are not convinced that there is a strong link between dollar weakness and inflation, and are increasingly convinced that the conditions in the credit market will have an impact on the real economy.”

    I agree.

    But this also illustrates that it is far too simplistic to associate the Fed’s dual mandate with a bias to ignore the external value of the currency. As you say, ” If the fed thinks dollar weakness risks inflation, they won’t cut.”

    The dual mandate criticism is a complete red herring. Why would authorities need to be additionally concerned about the dollar if they viewed the inflation pass-through to be manageable, and if they believe markets can find the right level for the dollar? Conversely, why would they risk a monetary policy that induced dollar weakness if they viewed the inflation pass-through to be unmanageable? And if the latter, why would a single mandate monetary policy make any effective difference to such a concern?

    Lost in the maelstrom of Fed teeth gnashing is the risk of a deflation inducing credit crunch.

    As Keynes said, “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?”

    We are where we are.

    The Fed will cut rates hard in coming months to ward off the risk of “debt deflation”. The inflation risk from currency pass-through is not only minimal, but also highly diluted by the overarching debt deflation concern.

  • Posted by Dave Chiang

    The Federal Reserve Banking Cartel will cut rates hard in coming months to bailout reckless, irresponsible behavior by member Wall Street Investment Banks and Hedge Funds. Moral Hazard be damned. Inflation be damned. US Dollar exchange value be damned.

    The Latest from Peter Schiff,
    http://www.europac.net/newspop.asp?id=10840&from=home

    Despite clear signs of surging prices in the U.S., the Fed took a major step in undermining its own credibility with its most recent forecast that inflation would remain below 2% for the next three years. As the forecast clearly paved the way for additional Fed rate cuts, Wall Street ignored its absurdity and heralded the announcement as legitimate good news. The celebration is likely infuriating foreign governments, who must be dumbstruck that the Fed can claim contained inflation at home while the declining dollar is fueling massive inflation problems around the world.

    Perhaps the icing on this “let them eat cake” mentality was provided by Wall Street itself. In a year with record losses, Wall Street firms announced that they would also be paying record bonuses to their employees. The rationale for this PR fiasco was that since the losses were not the fault of the employees (really?), they should not be made to suffer. So rather than sharing the pain being endured by their firms’ shareholders (clearly even less culpable then themselves), Wall Street’s fat cats will rub salt in their owners’ wounds by compounding their losses with the additional expense of lavish bonuses. Following the outlandish pay packages already given to ousted CEO’s who clearly were responsible for the losses, Wall Street’s “heads we win, tails you lose” attitude will not go over well abroad.

    In many nations now supporting our currency, the only thing similarly disgraced CEOs would have taken would have been their own lives. If Wall Street firms care so little about their own shareholders, what confidence will customers have that their interests will be respected? Such disgraceful compensation in the wake of such horrendous losses, especially following the lousy advice given to clients to buy these toxic mortgage-backed securities in the first place, proves that the only wallets Wall Street executives watch are their own.

  • Posted by Twofish

    About Larry Summers…

    On the times that I heard him speak, I thought he was extremely thoughtful if somewhat brusque, and my interpretation of his quotes on women was that people didn’t want him to be president of Harvard, and just wanted to find some quote from him to sink him, which was fine by him.

    DC: The rationale for this PR fiasco was that since the losses were not the fault of the employees (really?), they should not be made to suffer.

    The reason is that if you don’t keep your employees happy, they’ll work for someone else who pays more. Most of the compensation on Wall Street is in the bonus. One should also point out that most people on Wall Street don’t make mega-bucks merely kilo-bucks.

    DC: proves that the only wallets Wall Street executives watch are their own.

    Well yeah…..

    Any system that assumes that people won’t look after their own interests in the long run is rather unsustainable. Corporations work because there are multiple interests, managers, shareholders, creditors, government regulators (and there are several classes of those) all looking after their own interests.

    However, I don’t think that management taking money from shareholders is such a bad thing. If you don’t like this, then don’t buy financial stocks. You have own group of wealthy people (senior management) and another group of mostly wealthy people (shareholders) fighting with each other, and this isn’t a bad thing.

    If you burn through shareholder equity and start hitting creditors (aka depositors) then you have a big problem. However, the system is such that you have politicians who are terrified of mobs of angry depositors looking after bureaucrats who look after the banks, and we aren’t nearly at the point where any of the banks are even close to failing…..

  • Posted by Guest

    “…In some respects, Bretton Woods II appears like a giant money laundering cartel… So what will follow Bretton Woods II? I can think of two scenarios… An important reason why they want to change the dollar peg is the threat of imported inflation, which has become a problem in China and the six countries of the Gulf Co-Operation Council (GCC) after the dollar’s devaluation. There have been a number of signals recently that the dollar peg is about to be dropped, for example, in the United Arab Emirates. Of course, if that were to happen, the dollar would almost certainly fall further and this might induce others to drop their pegs as well. It is not difficult to imagine a situation in which Bretton Woods II could unravel in a disorderly fashion. Another, at least theoretical possibility is the emergence of regional exchange rate regimes, along the lines of what happened in Europe after Bretton Woods I. There has been a lot of talk for a long time about Asian monetary union, with little progress so far…”
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/96754c52-9b7c-11dc-8aad-0000779fd2ac.html

  • Posted by bsetser

    anonymous — I basically agree with you. the only caveat I would note is that I suspect the fed is (perhaps b/c of its own internal culture, perhaps b/c of the dual mandate) willing to define “price stability” as being consistent with a somewhat higher level of inflation than some other central banks.

    I am a bit more open to another criticism of the fed — namely that their measure of core inflation effectively included those prices where China exerted downward pressure and excluded those prices where china exerted upward pressure, and thus may have left an important part of the global picture out.

  • Posted by Dave Chiang

    Twofish,

    If you disagree with the highly critical article, take it up with Peter Schiff, not me. Peter Schiff is CEO of a Connecticut-based Investment Banking company, EuroPacific Capital, so I think he would know better than most anyone, the incredible fraudulent behavior that exists on Wall Street today.

    ” Goldman Sachs has $72 billion of Level 3 assets; its capital is only $36 billion. If anything like 90% of the Level 3 assets’ value has to be written off, Goldman Sachs is insolvent. They do not have the option of acting like Nomura Securities did recently, selling everything possible and writing the remainder down to zero, because they would be without capital. Instead they are likely to be dragged kicking and screaming, quarter by quarter, to a gradual writedown and sale of their Level 3 assets, with their true position remaining undisclosed and obfuscated by meaninglessly optimistic statements by top management. Only the bonuses will survive, paid in cash and draining liquidity from the struggling company.”

  • Posted by ST

    brad & anonymous,

    I agree with your sentiments, however isn’t it possible to have debt deflation and price inflation simultaneously as rate cuts and further liquidity flow directly through increasing raw materials prices even further? I increasingly find it difficult to see how inflation will remain tame. I do think that debt deflation will lead to slowing growth in the U.S., however as raw materials prices have been set by Asia for 5 years now and look on pace to continue to be set by Asia, I do believe the most likely scenario is fed rate cuts, more debt deflation but increasing (and perhaps surprising) inflation globally.

    The only thing that the Fed can be happy about is low unemployment and this factor alone is the only hope to tame rate cuts as the inflationary scenario develops. In fact, I believe it complicates the scenario because it doesn’t fit anything we’ve seen in the past. Throw in the election year political pressure and the most likely scenario becomes a tolerance for higher inflation and the gov’t massaging US inflation numbers even further manage public perception.

    From an investment point of view, it is difficult to see how the only beneficiary short and long term here are precious metals. And longer term, all commodities assuming enough liquidity can be released to stave off what might turn out to be a massive debt deflation based potentially on an even greater loss of faith in derivatives and a wide range of structured products.

  • Posted by Guest

    “…This is the time to look for companies with real cash flows and good businesses that will be sustainable, Mr. Das said. “Owning debt of a bank or sovereign debt like U.S. Treasuries – in other words, assets with fixed returns – may not be very bright.” http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071124.r-takingstock24/GIStory/

  • Posted by Guest

    Inflation is running now at 3.5% year over year. Is this not enough to worry the FED and restrain its willingness to cut rates?

  • Posted by Billmon

    “Dooley, Garber and Folkerts-Landau (of Bretton Woods 2 fame) argue that Europe will be forced to intervene to prop up the dollar – and in effect, Europe will join Asia in maintaining a de facto peg to the dollar.”

    Or, to quote somebody or the other: It may be our currency, but it’s their problem.

  • Posted by Guest

    Guest,

    Surely you do not believe the phony US government statistics. Real Inflation is running at a 10 percent annual rate.

    http://www.shadowstats.com/cgi-bin/sgs/data

    They are using pre-Clinton era statistics.

  • Posted by bsetser

    I suspect that there are two unique features of the current conjuncture that make the setting of monetary policy more difficult than usual –

    the first, noted by David Woo in his ft.com interview, is that the US is going into a rate cutting cycle with a very large external deficit/ ongoing financing need

    the second is that a us slowdown may not reduce pressure on commodity prices (b/c of china/ others having their own cycle) and thus may not have the usual dampening impact on price pressures.

    my guess is that the fed expects that in an environment where demand is slowing, firms will have trouble increasing prices and will eat more of the cost increase in the form of reduced profit margins.

    but there is tension between still strong commodity prices and a us rate cutting cycle, and tension between the us need for external funding (i.e. the risk of dollar weakness) and a rate cutting cycle. but unless more evidence emerges of an external constraint, i don’t think these tensions will outweigh a desire to try to mute the US economic cycle.

  • Posted by Dave Chiang

    France’s Areva signs Biggest China Nuclear Deal denominated in Euros (8 BILLION EUROS)
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7103107

    BEIJING, Nov 26 (Reuters) – France’s Areva on Monday clinched the biggest commercial nuclear power contract on record, agreeing to sell China two reactors and to provide atomic fuel for nearly two decades in a deal worth far more than expected.

    At 8 billion euro ($11.86 billion) the contract would be more than double the price tag first mooted 10 months ago, when Beijing signalled it would give the French state-owned firm a slice of its ambitious nuclear expansion plan.

    Areva said its deal was “unprecedented in the world nuclear market” and marked “the start of a global and sustainable cooperation” with the China Guangdong Nuclear Power Corp (CGNPC), which will help build the plant in southern China.

    The euro denomination will please Paris, which has been expressing growing concern about the weakness of the dollar. The U.S. currency last week fell to a record low against the euro.

  • Posted by Dave Chiang

    Europe’s Airbus announces 160-plane deal in biggest-ever China contract
    ( $17.4-billion-dollar deal )
    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j4fADFZOK1aMqlQmkoq4XnkRCa5Q

    BEIJING (AFP) — China agreed on Monday to buy 160 Airbus planes in a 17.4-billion-dollar deal that the European aerospace giant said was its biggest with the Asian nation.

    The deal, announced as part of French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s visit to China, involves 110 planes from the short-haul A320 family and 50 A330 wide-body passenger airliners.

    “It’s the biggest ever China deal for Airbus,” said Robin Tao, a Beijing-based spokesman for Airbus after the company confirmed the agreement was worth 17.4 billion dollars, based on the list price.

  • Posted by Guest

    China’s purchases in France are, I suspect, very political in nature. Since concern is rising in Europe about Chinese imports, China thought to blunt the issue with a large European order. It purchased Airbus planes too.

  • Posted by Anonymous

    Do import prices factor directly into the GDP price deflator? I was under the impression only value added did. E.g. recorded inflation in Q3 was low partly because crack spreads were low – i.e. difference between gasoline and oil – not oil itself, which was up huge.

  • Posted by Guest

    “…the case against the greenback is invariably couched in apocalyptic terms… Thus, it comes as something of a surprise that GaveKal… recently penned a report lauding the dollar’s prospects against the euro… Charles Gave terms the euro “grotesquely overvalued” at its current level. In the next couple of years, he maintains, the euro should fall to its “parity” value of $1.05 to $1.10. …he sees the U.S. maintaining its lead over the euro zone in such prerequisites of wealth generation as productivity growth, research, product innovation and strong institutions of higher education. “Ultimately, currency values are determined by relative rates of return on capital, and here the U.S. has a decided advantage,”… Chinese authorities probably will increase the pace at which the renminbi is allowed to appreciate versus the greenback. If not, GaveKal argues, China is likely to face increases in gasoline and food prices that could tear at the very fabric of its society since so much of the huge nation’s needs are filled from abroad… The U.S. is, if anything, less promiscuous and more virtuous with its monetary policy than Europe…” http://online.barrons.com/article/SB119586931310202772.html?mod=googlenews_barrons

  • Posted by Twofish

    DC: If you disagree with the highly critical article, take it up with Peter Schiff, not me. Peter Schiff is CEO of a Connecticut-based Investment Banking company, EuroPacific Capital, so I think he would know better than most anyone, the incredible fraudulent behavior that exists on Wall Street today.

    He’s not the only one that works on Wall Street. He is the CEO of a brokerage house that specializes in trades of European and Pacific stock, which makes it utterly unsurprising that he thinks that the US economy is DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOMED…..

    DC: If anything like 90% of the Level 3 assets’ value has to be written off, Goldman Sachs is insolvent.

    Correct if you have to write off 90% of Level 3 assets and nothing else changes. However if they have been competent then any write down in assets are going to be matched by a corresponding write down in liabilities, and the Federal Reserve is specifically charged with monitoring these sorts of things.

    Ultimately, one has to make judgments on what one sees rather than what one reads, and my personal experience is that GS and Federal Reserve regulators are competent, trustworthy people. Your mileage may vary……

  • Posted by Twofish

    Not surprising that you get big French orders when the French President is visiting. These sorts of deals are negotiated long in advance, and waiting for a head of state to visit gives some nice pictures for the press. Whenever the US President visits, deals with Boeing and Westinghouse are always annouced.

  • Posted by Nicolas

    The Fed is not going to cut rates. The dollar situation is not cyclical but is structural. TRILLIONS of debt, TRILLIONS out of balance, TRILLIONS that are unaccounted for. Unlike past cycles the conditions are new and unprecedented. Wake up to reality. THE FED WILL DO NOTHING other than print money.

  • Posted by Guest

    Japan working to improve its relations with China:

    TOKYO (Reuters) – Japan’s wartime leaders, hanged as war criminals, were martyrs like Jesus Christ, says the Japanese director of an upcoming film backed by nationalists that argues that the 1937 Nanjing massacre was a fabrication by China.

    That should do it.

  • Posted by gillies

    i am with you (guest, above).

    one of the dollar bear/oil bull factors, the attack on iran, is well behind schedule at the moment.

    so – dollar bounce, oil down, euro down, gold down and china continuing to do their own thing. (that’s a bet not a prophecy.) oil may cross $100 and the euro may cross $1.50 . . . . but not without provoking serious policy reviews, worldwide.

  • Posted by Guest

    “Hedge funds focused on arbitrage between convertible bonds and the principal stocks will surpass other funds next year… “Higher volatility and lower correlation between asset classes will favour arbitrage hedge funds,”… A continuation in the credit crisis and volatile stock market will increase fund activity and widen the different between corporate and government bond yield… investors should avoid a “long bias” or funds relying on a growth of asset prices…” http://www.londonstockexchange.com/en-gb/pricesnews/investnews/article.htm?wbc_purpose=Basic%252526?ArticleID=18367846

  • Posted by Guest

    “…Lahde’s first fund, US Residential Real Estate Hedge V Class A, soared 712.8 per cent in the year to the end of October, before this month’s sell-off pushed it past the 1,000 per cent mark. There is no reliable data on how many other funds have made 1,000 per cent… in a year. But RAB Capital, London hedge fund manager, shot to prominence in 2003 when it returned 1,475.5 per cent in its Special Situations fund, which now runs $2.4bn and is the biggest shareholder in troubled bank Northern Rock. Bigger subprime top performers include Paulson’s Credit Opportunities fund, up 550.8 per cent to the end of October, and the Subprime Credit Strategies fund run jointly by Texas-based Hayman Capital and Corriente Advisors, up 526.5 per cent.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21966039/

    “…Japan’s average return on equity will be about 10.2 percent this fiscal year, compared with 20 percent in the U.S…” http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGM33nqk0OB4&refer=home

  • Posted by Dave Chiang

    “He is the CEO of a brokerage house that specializes in trades of European and Pacific stock, which makes it utterly unsurprising that he thinks that the US economy is DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOMED…..” – Twofish

    But so far Peter Schiff’s track record has been right on the money for his customers. At least he has made a bundle of money for his clients with the devaluation of the US Dollar and the subprime mortgage crisis, unlike the flagship Goldman Sachs Alpha fund that has shafted clients with a negative 60 percent return this year.

    Until US Corporate management understands that the primary reason to be in business is to serve your customers with quality service and products, the US will be doomed to become a second rate, banana nation. As a result of providing a quality service, a business will earn long term profits. The rest of the world will never trust Wall Street again after defrauding investors with their subprime AAA-rated CDO bonds and other Enron-type financial instruments.

    And please cease and desist from making excuses for fraudulent activities by Wall Street Financial institutions. Just because Citicorp paid $2 billion in court fines to have federal criminal charges dropped against Robert Rubin for his deep personal involvement in the Enron fiasco doesn’t absolve his fraudulent behavior.

  • Posted by Guest

    “…It is impossible to describe the working conditions of these Chinese immigrants often exploited by other Chinese (a matter of language)… Recently the Chinese entrepreneurs in France, mainly in the garment industry, had to confront the competition of textile from inland China… With the reinforced police hunt for undocumented immigrants… it allows the Chinese bosses to use this constant threat to impose even harder working conditions and low wages…” http://www.prol-position.net/nl/2007/09/chinese-in-france

  • Posted by Guest

    The Fed hopes the public will believe that it announces every electronic seizure of the public money. In actuality, if known, the current Fed heist is probably way over $1 to $2 trillion. It’s very hard to resist pushing the keyboard zero button when it chings free money into your hands.

    Bailout money transfers and dollar debasing require others to pay the bills, through inflation. It’s a neat trick. That’s why the Fed screams about coming deflation, so it can continue printing and devaluating, unabated.

  • Posted by Guest

    According to the Financial Times, a California-based hedge fund has generated a more than 1,000% return this year by betting against US subprime home loans.

    Lahde Capital, a fund that was set up in Santa Monica last year by Andrew Lahde, last week passed the 1,000% mark after fees, making it one of the world’s best-performing funds of all time, the FT reported.
    The performance of the fund makes it one of the best performing funds of all time.
    Mr. Lahde, whose fund is one of the smallest specialists shorting subprime, has now begun to return money to investors, the FT said, telling them in a letter: “The risk/return characteristics are far less attractive than in the past.”
    Has Mr. Lahde now turned optimistic on the market? Not exactly.
    In his letter, Mr Lahde said he expected the collapse in value of subprime mortgage-linked securities to be repeated for bonds backed by commercial property loans next.

    “Our entire banking system is a complete disaster,” he wrote, according to the FT.

    “In my opinion, nearly every major US bank would be insolvent if they marked their assets to market.”

  • Posted by euro

    Brad,

    Thank you for your polite answer and your very welcome explanations! Today I’m late and yesterday very late!

    Sorry for I didn’t read Knuthsen paper, before answering you.

    Maybe, we all are confused, in lots of things on the economy and policy.

    12 days ago MM posted a nice and short post:

    http://macro-man.blogspot.com/2007/11/does-feds-dual-mandate-spell-doom-for.html

    I’m not old here, and MM was interpreting the Fed recent cuts and dollar moves of last months.

    I don’t say that you were not telling the same thing in another way, and indeed I agree with the answers you give today, and thank you for the PS.

    Now I understand better even the title of your post, but my conclusion, in the end is that everybody is confused and lost! The only conclusion is as Knuthsen says:

    “Things will get worse before they get any better”.

    Apart from that everybody is playing chess, and saying silly things to the media: strong dollar and so on.

    All know that we are going to a cliff, but nobody is able to have a project a new road to convince the others.

    So, let’s see who gets stiff first, or fired in burns, and then we’ll correct our path.

    Anyway, you always could surprise surprise anyone and I got surprised yesterday, and re-reading your post today, b/c it seems that you support the “demand growth” by Summers. Talking about Rubin/Summenrs to weaken the too-strong dollar. It’s an assumption, but here go a question about that, in two parts:

    Economy:

    - Housing is in free fall.
    - Foreclosures will count around 3 millions in a yea and a half.
    - As Tanta says “We are all subprime now”
    - As Mandel says “American consumer gets marked to market”
    - Oil in 97+
    - Fiscal deficits in several states.
    - … Lots of small things more…

    Financial:

    - The financial technology causing serious crisis in the whole world. And we are in the beginning…
    - S&P flat or losing money.
    - Main investments banks losing money.
    - Fannie and Fredy asking for cash.
    - Global “credit crunch”
    - Investors flying to quality (as if it would some rest of it somewhere)
    - 30 year bonds below the FFR.
    - What else…?

    The question:

    Do you think that “supporting demand growth” is not nonsense?

    Thkx

  • Posted by Guest

    DC, you are on the money, but Rubin, having been caught, is in the minority of crooked financial engineers. The US economy is doomed, and the US stockmarket will reflect just that. This country has been hollowed out by the insider elete much in the same way the Wall St. firms have been hollowed out by the insider elete. The next reality show will be called “Survivor, Wall Street”. Tune in as 20 contestants try to keep their jobs at Citigroup.

  • Posted by euro

    PS: Today’s page of Calculated Risk a good example of all this mess. It remembers me the energy trouble denial.

  • Posted by Guest

    “…Exposing wrongdoing was akin to turning on your parents… Another reason whistleblowers have been rare is uncertainty surrounding their legal rights. Strengthening protections is vital to offering investors a level of corporate governance that will keep them engaged in Asian markets. It would make governments more accountable, too… Asia’s governments, economies and markets are ripe for an Enron moment…” http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aX6dZMlInul4&refer=home

  • Posted by euro

    Totally off-topic, but good feeling:

    It’s nice to see that Bruce Springsteen, “The Boss” (from New Jersey) is sold-out in all his concerts through Europe, being 58, with a big success.

    But between first and second song, he talks about the war in Iraq and the mess Bush made (not Greenspan’s one).

    Thumbs to Springsteen!

    PS: Thumbs to Tom Waits, BTW, for writing and singing “Jersey Girl”, a nice song that lots of people in USA thin is made by The Boss. We love “good” americans. Really!

  • Posted by 50 Cent

    “In a year with record losses, Wall Street firms announced that they would also be paying record bonuses to their employees. The rationale for this PR fiasco was that since the losses were not the fault of the employees (really?), they should not be made to suffer.”

    I never thought I could agree with Twofish on anything but he is quite right about this.

    The Wall St fatcats are paying themselves record bonuses, thereby picking the meat off their companies and leaving behind bankrupt skeletons with nothing more than phony overvalued Level-3 “assets”. The shareholders will get screwed. But so what? Why do investors in financial stocks deserve special sympathy? They knew what they were buying.

    Unless of course they engineer a Fed bailout. Which would be effectively a transfer of wealth from taxpayer to fatcat. Hopefully they won’t be able to get away with that.

  • Posted by RealThink

    I made a similar post under Professor Roubini’s last entry, but here it goes.

    Professor Summers wrote:

    “Maintaining demand must be the over-arching macro-economic priority.”

    It appears Professor Summers is not aware of the fact that the world is now hitting the physical “limits to growth” (most notably, but not exclusively, in oil production) and of the impact that fact has on economic output. As recent price action in oil and gold shows, in this new environment “liquidity injections” serve only to increase the price of the critical limiting resource (oil) and to encourage the shifting of assetts to “harder” currencies (i.e. currencies that cannot be printed: gold).

    To start with, the IEA October monthly report shows clearly that, for oil, the problem is supply, not demand.

    World oil total demand (actual and projected):
    1Q06 2Q06 3Q06 4Q06 2006 = 85.4 83.4 84.3 85.6 84.7
    1Q07 2Q07 3Q07 4Q07 2007 = 85.8 84.6 85.5 87.6 85.9
    1Q08 2Q08 3Q08 4Q08 2008 = 88.3 86.7 87.4 89.4 88.0

    World oil total supply (actual):
    1Q06 2Q06 3Q06 4Q06 2006 = 85.4 84.9 85.5 85.3 85.3
    1Q07 2Q07 3Q07 4Q07 2007 = 85.4 85.1 85.1

    While the November report has slightly lowered the overall yearly demand projections from 85.9 to 85.7 for 2007 and from 88.0 to 87.7, it remains painfully clear that if world oil production does not experience a “surge” in 2008 (which alas no liquidity injection can bring about), the convergence of demand to supply will take place via much higher oil prices. I touched on this issue in http://peaktimeviews.blogspot.com/2007/11/assessing-impact-of-current-oil.html

    Sure enough, it is possible to still achieve economic growth in the face of stagnant oil supply via efficiency improvements. But even if tomorrow the government implemented draconian measures such as banning sales of all vehicles having mpg lower than a very high threshold, the timing involved in the turnover of the automobile fleet ensures that at least a decade would be necessary to see the results. And the oil supply/demand imbalance is next year, not next decade.

  • Posted by bsetser

    Euro — I suspect we do disagree. I do agree with Summers. The key argument against efforts to support demand growth is the high price of oil/ commodities and the associated knock on effects. I recognize the risk that stimulating us demand would just push up commodity prices more. But i would put more emphasis on the risk that frozen credit markets (and all the items you note) will interact with the housing market in a way that is highly damaging to the uS economy. A sustained period when us demand grows more slowly than US production is necessary for “rebalancing” — but right now it seems like there is a meaningful risk that US household demand will fall off a cliff. and that basically means a recession. Roubini wouldn’t be upset — he called it. But it still wouldn’t be a good thing.

  • Posted by euro

    Sorry Brad,

    You left me frozen!

    I’m happy that harvesters in mid-USA are getting a bit more of their work’s efforts. Of course, that’s the only good news. And I’m sure they are don’t paid enough by the intermediates in the business.

    The rest it’s rather grim.

    But I was surprised by your honest and dark answer. I understand it, but I also think that free talking won’t resolve anything.

    I don’t thing that the word rebalancing has sense anymore, until a big crisis. A bad one for all of us.

    A couple of comments:

    One, two days late one by P. Krugman:

    “Red tide rising

    The fall in the federal deficit since 2003 has been widely used by conservatives — including the Bush administration and all the leading candidates for the GOP presidential nomination — as proof that tax cuts actually increase revenue.
    So here’s a heads-up: the good times are about to stop rolling.
    The key factor in rising revenue hasn’t been a growing economy — it has been a surge in corporate taxes as a share of GDP.

    But now profits are falling. Revenue will follow — and the deficit is about to get bigger again”.
    A new one from today:

    “Meanwhile, on the dollar front

    I missed this — it’s a week old — but still quite a quote:
    Bottom line: private demand for US financial assets has disappeared. In emerging market terms, the US has experienced a sudden stop.
    “Sudden stop” is a term of art — it refers to crises, like those that occurred in various developing countries, in which the supply of foreign capital suddenly dried up — sometimes with catastrophic economic results.

    That’s not likely to happen to the US — we don’t have the “balance-sheet currency-denomination mismatch that was rampant in Argentina before the 2002 crisis” — in other words, our foreign debt is in dollars, so a plunge in the dollar doesn’t cause an explosion of debt. Also, for now the sudden stop is only in private funds: foreign central banks are still buying dollars.

    But it’s still sort of unnerving to see the long-awaited dollar crisis starting to unfold.”
    As you can see, Krugman reads you posts everyday. Because you are worth a reading everyday, without any doubt. And we learned a lot from you and from good bloggers like Yves in nakadcapitalism, by your advice.

    Thank you very much, and keep on, please.

    My feeling is that old recipes don’t apply in this case. I don’t care if you are right or is someone else. I think that Nouriel is doing a great job in all fronts.

    Maybe, you’ll be in the same front writing from different enterprises, but proposing a doable solution to those that govern us, without being directly elected, by the powers that may be, in the next crisis.

    Anyway, a lot of dialog between all parts, will be the main yeast of any bread-loaf, for whatever solution.

    Thanks and keep on, please!

    PS: I leave here a very hard critic of an european economist:

    “But Summers’ advice (lower Fed rates, a Keynesian boost via increased government spending of tax cuts, and public support to lending and housing markets) completely ignores that diagnosis. Cheap money is not the issue – it’s the problem (there’s been too much of it for too long) and it’s the symptom of the underlying bias in value sharing between workers and investors. Cheap credit has hidden for years the fact the the economy was not sound, as workers saw lower wages and the rich captured an increasing share of incomes. It’s that split that needs correction. It’s the fact that wages cannot keep up with costs. It’s the fact that too much of GDP was generated by virtual activities (selling houses to one another using Chinese money, as Krugman described it more than 2 years ago) that created a lot of paper value but had no substance – and whatever value existed was captured – and spent – by the Wall Street bankers right away.
    This is a crisis of the conservative economic policies pushed to their extreme. After denying for years that this was unsustainable, I expect that they will claim that their policies did not go far enough, and that they must be pursued further to “save the economy” – more reform, more labor “flexibility”, more effort in the face of globalization. This is all bunk.”

  • Posted by euro

    My answer was a mess, but go to PK blog and forgive me that copy and past mess.

  • Posted by Dr. dAn

    @ julieng on 2007-11-25 18:44:05

    Could u pls explain a bit on ur post ? You make some important forecasts. What will happen to $ and BRIC economies . BRIC is growing at 8% GDP growth. How far will that slow to.

  • Posted by Guest

    Citigroup to Get $7.5 Billion Infusion From Abu Dhabi (Update1)

    By Bradley Keoun and James Temple

    Nov. 26 (Bloomberg) — Citigroup Inc., the U.S. bank searching for a new chief executive as it faces at least $8 billion of writedowns, agreed to sell as much as 4.9 percent of the company to the government of Abu Dhabi for $7.5 billion.

    Citigroup will sell equity units to the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority that convert into common shares, the New York-based lender said today in a press release.

    “This investment, from one of the world’s leading and most sophisticated equity investors, provides further capital to allow Citi to pursue attractive opportunities to grow its business,” Win Bischoff, Citigroup’s acting CEO, said in the statement. It helps “strengthen our capital base,” he said.

    Charles O. Prince III was forced to step down as Citigroup’s chief executive officer Nov. 4 after the biggest U.S. bank said losses on subprime mortgages and related securities may cut fourth-quarter net income by $5 billion to $7 billion. The lender said at the time that it planned to shore up capital. The company’s shares, which have fallen about 44 percent this year, sank to $30.70 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading today, the lowest price in five years.

    ADIA, the sovereign wealth fund of the government of Abu Dhabi, is buying equity units that convert into Citigroup shares at prices ranging from $31.83 to $37.24 per share, on dates ranging from March 15, 2010, to Sept. 15, 2011, the U.S. bank said. The units will pay 11 percent annual interest.

    Abu Dhabi, one of the United Arab Emirates, will have “no role in the management or governance of Citi, including no right to designate a member” of the company’s board, according to the statement.

  • Posted by bsetser

    Well abu dhabi is in a better position to bailout citi than the US government right now.

    Dr. Summers has long argued that even if easy credit causes crises, restricting the flow of credit in the midst of a crisis doesn’t actually help things — he generally thought that liquidity crises in emerging market economies could be solved with more liquidity (Rubin, incidentally, was more hawkish). His current policy suggestions are consistent with that thinking — cutting off the flow of credit to over-extended US homeowners right now would augment the problem, not make it worse. Bad loans have already been made. The risk now is that even good borrowers (or potentially salvageable borrowers) won’t get credit.

    I tend to agree.

    Here is a simple question — kind of the litmus test question. Should the fed cut now, or not? I say yes, it should cut, even if that puts more pressure on the dollar and various dollar pegs. I also thought it should have increased rates more back in 2005/ 06 when it was clear that higher short-rates weren’t pushing up long rates or really tightening credit conditions. I am more uncomfortable with the asymmetric fed response (no attempt to head off bubbles but every attempt to contain them ex post) than I am with counter-cyclical policy.

    and euro — thanks for the heads up on krugman.

  • Posted by Anonymous

    Glad to see you’re on board with Fed cuts.

    Many people erroneously associate Fed cuts with a “bail-out” or with “moral hazard”. This is too simplistic. The rationale for cuts is to calibrate the amount of damage that is already inevitable to some degree. There’s no way that Fed cuts are going to prevent credit losses already incurred or to a degree those expected in the pipeline. But they will help build a floor for that process to stop at some point.

    I can’t agree with the second part of your view though. It is often overlooked that the prior tightening cycle increased the funds rate by more than 400 per cent. This was policy operating at a very low general interest rate level, but with extremely high relative cyclical amplitude. This was likely an unprecedented relative tightening of monetary policy. The current credit debacle is not the result of insufficient prior tightening. Rather it resulted from following up a near record level of absolute ease with a record level of relative tightening. Monetary policy works with a lag. The seeds of the credit destruction started with a 1 per cent funds rate. As far as the longer-term rates are concerned, I’m not sure they’ve fluctuated enough over the entire cycle to be really critical in the timing of their impact on credit. And the low teaser rates on mortgages were probably spawned more by the low fed funds rates and the longer-term expectations for rates created/marketed as a result.

  • Posted by RebelEconomist

    Brad,

    Given that we know that monetary policy has no long run effect on real activity, Fed cuts can do no more than bring forward activity from later to now to mitigate the waste caused by previous policy mistakes. So when would you like the US to take this loss?

    Besides the inevitability of losses from policy mistakes, I also expect that their salutary effect is stronger the closer they are in time to the mistake. Summers’ advice may endear him to policymakers, but I believe it is misguided – in an economy with an indefinite life, moral hazard matters even more. I liked Ricardo Haussman’s somewhat sarcastic comment on Summers piece in the FT economists forum:
    http://blogs.ft.com/wolfforum/2007/11/wake-up-to-the.html#comments

    By the way, if there are people reading this blog who are invited to write in even more prominent places elsewhere, I hope they attribute any ideas they take from it.

  • Posted by teme

    “EU to pressure China on currency”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7114554.stm

    I’ve been saying all along that Euro area allowing its trade balance to go heavily into deficit due to Chinese moving their surplus to European trade is politically unrealistic. At this point, I’d say that ECB intervention is not only possible, but likely if Chinese don’t move.

  • Posted by Anonymous

    Rather rich that Haussman includes his own quack theory of (US centric) dark matter in the list of factors for which he indignantly requires a response from Summers. Of course, there’s no difference in the case of the US economy. Right.

  • Posted by Anonymous

    Just curious – if “monetary policy has no long run effect on real activity”, just how is it that previous policy errors resulted in “waste”?

  • Posted by Twofish

    bsetser: Here is a simple question — kind of the litmus test question. Should the fed cut now, or not?

    I don’t think it will make much difference, and I’m inclined against one. The reason for the summer rate cuts was to stop a panic, and no one is panicking now.

    An interest rate cut is going to have minimum impact on subprimes. Subprime borrowers are not influenced much by interest rates. The problem is that a lot of them can’t afford the non-teaser rates and were planning on refinancing, and without a supply of lenders, no one is going to be able to refinance.

    The two shocks that are going to come ahead are…..

    In about a month when European banks start announcing results. US banks report results three months late, but European banks report results six months late, and we are about to see their exposures.

    In about six months to one year, the teaser rates for the 2006 loans are going to expire, and there is likely going to be another round of defaults. What will make this really interesting is that this is going to come right in the middle of election season.

    The pricing for BBB CDO’s is very interesting. Everyone knows that they will default, but they are still be traded at deep discounts because the question that people have is *when* will they default. If you can squeeze out one or two more payments before someone goes under, that’s still money.

  • Posted by Twofish

    I’d rather the Fed hold off and keep some spare bullets in case they are needed later.

  • Posted by Twofish

    DC: At least he has made a bundle of money for his clients with the devaluation of the US Dollar and the subprime mortgage crisis, unlike the flagship Goldman Sachs Alpha fund that has shafted clients with a negative 60 percent return this year.

    GS Alpha lost 60 percent of its assets as investors bailed, but that is different from a -60% return. Assuming that GS Alpha had performance characteristics that are similar to other quant hedge funds, it is likely that it ended up the month of August with positive returns, and will end up this year in the black.

    The big losses for the quant hedge funds all occurred on three days. 8/6/2007 to 8/9/2007. On 8/10/2007, they rebounded after GS very loudly said that they were putting their own money into Alpha, and that stopped the panic.

    Here is a test. Suppose I’m a hedge fund manager and I made a whole bunch of money betting against subprimes. What am I going to say? The banking system is wonderful, I want people to invest so that the price of securities goes up and I lose money!!!!! Or you are all DOOMED DOOMED DOOMED, SELL SELL SELL so that I can make money off my short positions!!!!

    Also, GS’s story is that it made mega-bucks doing what the hedge funds did.

    Something I find odd is your selective skepticism. You seem over fixed on conspiracies and secret conflicts of interests, yet you ignore the pretty obvious conflicts that are right in front of you.

  • Posted by RebelEconomist

    Anonymous on 2007-11-27 08:21:08:

    Good points.

    First, even if monetary policy has no real long run effect on real activity, economic activity has declining marginal utility, so, assuming that monetary policy can at least have a short-run effect on activity, the wisest use of it is to smooth the cycle. That implies that monetary policy must be used as much to restrain as to stimulate. Unfortunately, the fantasy mandate that the Fed is given, and their weakness in the face of hectoring from people like Barney Frank, mean that the application of monetary policy has been biased, and now has a restraint deficit. Using monetary policy to smooth the cycle also requires honesty about distinguishing between cyclic and secular variations in activity, which I think has been lacking in the US (eg upturns are a “new paradigm” whereas downturns are caused by temporary “headwinds”).

    Second, while I did not articulate it, I would of course not dispute that monetary policy can have a lasting effect on real activity if abused badly enough. For example, even continuous easing will eventually cause economic damage by high inflation. Maybe the US has suffered from some of this, but it is not recognised because it has been confined to asset prices.

    Third, I did not mean monetary policy only. Fiscal policy mistakes have also been made, both strategic by blowing the surplus while the baby boomers worked, and tactical, such as maintaing mortgage tax relief despite low long term interest rates and a booming housing market, and low gasoline tax, despite geopolitical and environmental concerns. Regulatory policy (eg on sub-prime lending and SIVs) may have also played a part.

  • Posted by Guest
  • Posted by Anonymous

    Written by RebelEconomist on 2007-11-27 11:22:54

    Thoughtful comments. Greenspan was particularly culpable for being a “new economy” cheerleader on the upside – very reckless.

  • Posted by RealThink

    Brad Setser wrote:

    “Dr. Summers has long argued that even if easy credit causes crises, restricting the flow of credit in the midst of a crisis doesn’t actually help things — he generally thought that liquidity crises in emerging market economies could be solved with more liquidity … . His current policy suggestions are consistent with that thinking –”

    That’s also Krugman’s thinking. In “The Return of Depression Economics” he says something to the extent that “Recessions are caused by people chasing too little scrip instead of real goods and services, and the solution is to print more scrip.” That thinking was valid *while* the world was still on the way up to Hubbert’s Peak, i.e. when recessions were caused by failures in aggregate demand. But now the world is bumping against the physical “limits to growth” (most notably, but not exclusively, in oil production), and the foreseeable stagnation and subsequent fall in economic output (until stabilizing at some lower sustainable level) will not be the consequence of insufficient demand but of physical constraints imposed by Nature. In this new scenario, stimulating aggregate demand with monetary policy is no longer able to increase output at all. It only raises the price of the critical limiting resource/s.

    Think of a pub. When there’s plenty of beer, turning heating on to make customers thirsty so that they drink more will increase sales (demand is the limiting factor). When beer is running out, it won’t (supply is the limiting factor).

  • Posted by Guest

    Thanks RealThink – The beer analogy was hilarious!

    My opinion is that the oncoming U.S. recession and banking crisis is not caused by resource limitation. Rather, its the result of overleverage on virtually every asset in the country. When debt servicing costs exceed profits, there’s going to be blood in the streets. Last year, approximately 31% of business profits were reported by the financial sector. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to conclude that this degree of burden by an essentially unproductive sector of the economy is unsustainable.

    Ultimately, I believe that human ingenuity (creativity and technology) will provide rapid adaptation to declining natural resources… We no longer use whale oil for lighting… Were the US economy to seriously commit to the development of renewable energy infrastructure, as well as maintenance and repair of existing public infrastructure, we would be well on the way to correcting the current account inbalance. These activities would also provide the political/financial stimulous needed to make the economy productive.

    I will admit however, that the US debt burden, and the Iraq fiasco has undermined most of the international support for the US Petrodollar system… As the dollar depriciates, so does the collateral for all the financial leveraging.

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