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		<title>By: Prt1stAskQLater</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/01/23/the-pboc-s-dilemmas/#comment-104343</link>
		<dc:creator>Prt1stAskQLater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bsetser on 2008-01-25 15:36:57

Thanks for the clarification and taking the trouble to reply back.

Best,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bsetser on 2008-01-25 15:36:57</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification and taking the trouble to reply back.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Print First Ask Questions Later.</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/01/23/the-pboc-s-dilemmas/#comment-104342</link>
		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>print ... later

the strange thing about China&#039;s export boom is that it hasn&#039;t generated a job boom.   the most plausible explanation is that the policies needed to keep the rmb low have also kept the cost of capital low, and encouraged the substitution of capital for labor.   the imf research on this point is quite convincing.  job growth in china has been weak, and labor income is falling sharply as a share of chinese gdp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>print &#8230; later</p>
<p>the strange thing about China&#8217;s export boom is that it hasn&#8217;t generated a job boom.   the most plausible explanation is that the policies needed to keep the rmb low have also kept the cost of capital low, and encouraged the substitution of capital for labor.   the imf research on this point is quite convincing.  job growth in china has been weak, and labor income is falling sharply as a share of chinese gdp.</p>
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		<title>By: Prt1stAskQLater</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/01/23/the-pboc-s-dilemmas/#comment-104341</link>
		<dc:creator>Prt1stAskQLater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bsetser on 2008-01-24 12:59:04 wrote:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;China is actually taking policy step to encourage exports (itnervening to limit rmb appreciation) and to discourage domestic demand (lending curbs, fiscal surplus, etc). that is what drives me crazy. tis the wrong policy mix -- china should be subsidizing its own poor, not the United states&#039; rich (see Blackstone). &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Dr. Setser, I&#039;ve been a lurker. But I&#039;ve had my handle on NR&#039;s blog before. I would say that &lt;b&gt;China is subsidizing it&#039;s poor through employment. &lt;/b&gt; The employment is provided by huge investments in export related factories. The Chinese need to absorb the rural-urban migration; 10-14 million annually. Besides, employment keeps people &lt;i&gt;busy&lt;/i&gt;, if you know what I mean.

You could not get Asians to consume. e.g. Why do you never worry about body odour in Asia? Because there&#039;s feces on the road-side! And that&#039;s OK! Why don&#039;t Asian&#039;s have pretty manucured front and back-yards? Because it rains like nuts four months in the year!

It&#039;s really a political issue. Employment comes first; keeping &#039;em busy comes first. So the exports have to remain; USD/RMB peg has to remain and PBoC will continue to absorb it&#039;s losses - it&#039;s the cost of &#039;doing business&#039;. That gives Ben a free hand to kill the rates.

Just my humble opinion. I have the highest respect for you though.

Best,
Print First Ask Questions Later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bsetser on 2008-01-24 12:59:04 wrote:<br />
<i>&#8220;China is actually taking policy step to encourage exports (itnervening to limit rmb appreciation) and to discourage domestic demand (lending curbs, fiscal surplus, etc). that is what drives me crazy. tis the wrong policy mix &#8212; china should be subsidizing its own poor, not the United states&#8217; rich (see Blackstone). &#8220;</i></p>
<p>Dr. Setser, I&#8217;ve been a lurker. But I&#8217;ve had my handle on NR&#8217;s blog before. I would say that <b>China is subsidizing it&#8217;s poor through employment. </b> The employment is provided by huge investments in export related factories. The Chinese need to absorb the rural-urban migration; 10-14 million annually. Besides, employment keeps people <i>busy</i>, if you know what I mean.</p>
<p>You could not get Asians to consume. e.g. Why do you never worry about body odour in Asia? Because there&#8217;s feces on the road-side! And that&#8217;s OK! Why don&#8217;t Asian&#8217;s have pretty manucured front and back-yards? Because it rains like nuts four months in the year!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really a political issue. Employment comes first; keeping &#8216;em busy comes first. So the exports have to remain; USD/RMB peg has to remain and PBoC will continue to absorb it&#8217;s losses &#8211; it&#8217;s the cost of &#8216;doing business&#8217;. That gives Ben a free hand to kill the rates.</p>
<p>Just my humble opinion. I have the highest respect for you though.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Print First Ask Questions Later.</p>
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		<title>By: adiemuso</title>
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		<dc:creator>adiemuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! China&#039;s a big issue for many, judging from the responses here!

To me, we should consider the issue from another perspective. Growth of China reserves, year to year or 5 years to date.

Besides, we are unable to fully capture the total returns from its usage of reserves, how much has been allocated to other avenues which could have well provided a higher than 4.5% return? How much of these fx risk been hedged through financial innovations?

And of course, to me even if its bleeding 4%, its still a relatively small cost to pay, if we were to consider what might happened had China been without such a massive reserve to begin with? Would China been able to weather the current storm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! China&#8217;s a big issue for many, judging from the responses here!</p>
<p>To me, we should consider the issue from another perspective. Growth of China reserves, year to year or 5 years to date.</p>
<p>Besides, we are unable to fully capture the total returns from its usage of reserves, how much has been allocated to other avenues which could have well provided a higher than 4.5% return? How much of these fx risk been hedged through financial innovations?</p>
<p>And of course, to me even if its bleeding 4%, its still a relatively small cost to pay, if we were to consider what might happened had China been without such a massive reserve to begin with? Would China been able to weather the current storm?</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Setser,
Thank you for the reply. My good whishes for you and your blogger community on moving to council on foreign relations.
Best BMH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Setser,<br />
Thank you for the reply. My good whishes for you and your blogger community on moving to council on foreign relations.<br />
Best BMH</p>
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		<title>By: 50 Cent</title>
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		<dc:creator>50 Cent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jin: &quot;There will be no eng-game, because it is a continuing event. The only way out is moving up to high end and high tech manufacturing. That will make higher wages and then less dependence. Then the domestic consumption could pick up.&quot;

I agree but there has to be a roadmap for this. China needs to keep growing at 10% for another 20 years to maintain employment but there is no easy way to increase domestic consumption (rather than asset inflation). And now the easy option of accumulating reserves and exporting the consumption problem to the US may not be available anymore.


jin: &quot;The only use of massive reserve is for the raining day---for someday China has to borrow huge from outside world.&quot;

The reserves have become too big to be justified on that basis. Truly this money is a burden to China more than an asset: they can&#039;t spend it and it feeds xenophobia in the West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jin: &#8220;There will be no eng-game, because it is a continuing event. The only way out is moving up to high end and high tech manufacturing. That will make higher wages and then less dependence. Then the domestic consumption could pick up.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree but there has to be a roadmap for this. China needs to keep growing at 10% for another 20 years to maintain employment but there is no easy way to increase domestic consumption (rather than asset inflation). And now the easy option of accumulating reserves and exporting the consumption problem to the US may not be available anymore.</p>
<p>jin: &#8220;The only use of massive reserve is for the raining day&#8212;for someday China has to borrow huge from outside world.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reserves have become too big to be justified on that basis. Truly this money is a burden to China more than an asset: they can&#8217;t spend it and it feeds xenophobia in the West.</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BMH -- I have been assured that my blog will remain open to all who register -- and i hope, to everyone, including those who do not register.  it will not be reserved for RGE subscribers.  my leverage tho is limited as my blog will be migrating to the council on foreign relations in the (relatively) near future.

I am pretty sure that NR doesn&#039;t use ghost writers tho -- or ghost editors either.  he writes it all himself.  but he also clearly is pushing RGE, as is his right, given that it is (more or less) his company.   I have no idea whether or not it will succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BMH &#8212; I have been assured that my blog will remain open to all who register &#8212; and i hope, to everyone, including those who do not register.  it will not be reserved for RGE subscribers.  my leverage tho is limited as my blog will be migrating to the council on foreign relations in the (relatively) near future.</p>
<p>I am pretty sure that NR doesn&#8217;t use ghost writers tho &#8212; or ghost editors either.  he writes it all himself.  but he also clearly is pushing RGE, as is his right, given that it is (more or less) his company.   I have no idea whether or not it will succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic
Dr. Setser, this &quot;register today window&quot; is now popping up in front of your blog in a way that one can#t close it, which means that your blog is basically unreadable for bloogers that are not registered. I wonder whether this is a measure to coerce you  to follow the  new RGE- business model: Meaning that effective February 1st the blogs will be only accessible to people who subscribe to the RGE-Monitor ( over 3000 US§ per year and privat person).
I think this is neither a good business model nor intellectually adequat. The contributers to the blogs should then be paid for their imput, especially on the NR blog.
NR has recently posted  basically unedited openly accessible stuff like Interviews or  &quot;Goldilocks and the three ugly bears&quot; which he has not written adding a short comment that now some previous nobrainer has finaly gotten his point, leaving all the effort of often profound comments on the state of economic affairs to the bloggers. He almost never contributes to the discussion. And I am beginning to wonder whether he has  implemented some ghost writers for his posts.
 Also his posts are sickenly overload with bigmouth advertising as to how brilliant the RGE-monitor is. Do you really think the number of subscribtions will rise if the bloggs are only available for subscribers?

 I don#t think so. I rather think the discussion will dry up and if not as I have stated before the bloggers should be compensated. Otherwise one would have to ask oneself whether RGE is capitalising on their time and insight.
( Sorry for interupting the discussion)
BMH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic<br />
Dr. Setser, this &#8220;register today window&#8221; is now popping up in front of your blog in a way that one can#t close it, which means that your blog is basically unreadable for bloogers that are not registered. I wonder whether this is a measure to coerce you  to follow the  new RGE- business model: Meaning that effective February 1st the blogs will be only accessible to people who subscribe to the RGE-Monitor ( over 3000 US§ per year and privat person).<br />
I think this is neither a good business model nor intellectually adequat. The contributers to the blogs should then be paid for their imput, especially on the NR blog.<br />
NR has recently posted  basically unedited openly accessible stuff like Interviews or  &#8220;Goldilocks and the three ugly bears&#8221; which he has not written adding a short comment that now some previous nobrainer has finaly gotten his point, leaving all the effort of often profound comments on the state of economic affairs to the bloggers. He almost never contributes to the discussion. And I am beginning to wonder whether he has  implemented some ghost writers for his posts.<br />
 Also his posts are sickenly overload with bigmouth advertising as to how brilliant the RGE-monitor is. Do you really think the number of subscribtions will rise if the bloggs are only available for subscribers?</p>
<p> I don#t think so. I rather think the discussion will dry up and if not as I have stated before the bloggers should be compensated. Otherwise one would have to ask oneself whether RGE is capitalising on their time and insight.<br />
( Sorry for interupting the discussion)<br />
BMH</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would applaud, and it would be scary.  it also isn&#039;t about to happen.  more incremental (but faster than has been the case) changes are more likely.

lc -- more domestic stimulus and a stronger RMB (v a basket, not just the $) would indeed by a nice shift. but it is also requires a policy change, as right now china&#039;s policy is less domestic stimulus and a stronger rmb (v the $) to fight inflation.   and faster appreciation would imply larger financial losses for the pboc.  that shouldn&#039;t matter, as the pboc really incurred the loss the moment it bought the fx and all that changes now is timing of when it realizes the loss.  but sometimes things that should not matter still do matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would applaud, and it would be scary.  it also isn&#8217;t about to happen.  more incremental (but faster than has been the case) changes are more likely.</p>
<p>lc &#8212; more domestic stimulus and a stronger RMB (v a basket, not just the $) would indeed by a nice shift. but it is also requires a policy change, as right now china&#8217;s policy is less domestic stimulus and a stronger rmb (v the $) to fight inflation.   and faster appreciation would imply larger financial losses for the pboc.  that shouldn&#8217;t matter, as the pboc really incurred the loss the moment it bought the fx and all that changes now is timing of when it realizes the loss.  but sometimes things that should not matter still do matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Pallj</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a what-if, that would be interesting to analyze:
What if the RMB were un-pegged to the $, AND became a freely traded currency?
What if China took the full step and joined the global economy and stopped hiding behind the mirror?

Wouldn&#039;t that be a two edged sword, indeed? You&#039;d have to applaud it, but wouldn&#039;t it be scary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a what-if, that would be interesting to analyze:<br />
What if the RMB were un-pegged to the $, AND became a freely traded currency?<br />
What if China took the full step and joined the global economy and stopped hiding behind the mirror?</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t that be a two edged sword, indeed? You&#8217;d have to applaud it, but wouldn&#8217;t it be scary?</p>
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