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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/03/04/the-great-emerging-market-inflation-of-2007-and-2008/#comment-105872</link>
		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manufacturing companies hedge against currency risk by buying currency options which those awful "banksters" sell.  Automobile companies in particular have extremely complex and sophisticated treasury operations and financial structures since they have to be able to respond to shifts in commodity and currency prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manufacturing companies hedge against currency risk by buying currency options which those awful &#8220;banksters&#8221; sell.  Automobile companies in particular have extremely complex and sophisticated treasury operations and financial structures since they have to be able to respond to shifts in commodity and currency prices.</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/03/04/the-great-emerging-market-inflation-of-2007-and-2008/#comment-105871</link>
		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very sympathetic to your argument.  I also got the impression in nov. that the "pork" argument was as much about managing expectations as a real statement of conviction.   There weren't as many Jon Anderson's (inflation will be 2% by the fall) as I expected.   The Gulf is saving a similar set of issues.  So far the argument that it is "just" rent and thus inflation will come down when new supply hits the market hasn't been borne out.  Inflation was already supposed to be back down in qatar and the uae and well it hasn't fallen.  Combine the liquidity from less fiscal sterilization (i.e more spending/ investment of the oil windfall) and from speculative inflows and you kind of have china on steroids, but without energy cost pressure ...

basically, real int. rates are still likely to be very variable across the cycle in the emerging world, with a high risk of a period of over ivnestment and then of under-investment ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very sympathetic to your argument.  I also got the impression in nov. that the &#8220;pork&#8221; argument was as much about managing expectations as a real statement of conviction.   There weren&#8217;t as many Jon Anderson&#8217;s (inflation will be 2% by the fall) as I expected.   The Gulf is saving a similar set of issues.  So far the argument that it is &#8220;just&#8221; rent and thus inflation will come down when new supply hits the market hasn&#8217;t been borne out.  Inflation was already supposed to be back down in qatar and the uae and well it hasn&#8217;t fallen.  Combine the liquidity from less fiscal sterilization (i.e more spending/ investment of the oil windfall) and from speculative inflows and you kind of have china on steroids, but without energy cost pressure &#8230;</p>
<p>basically, real int. rates are still likely to be very variable across the cycle in the emerging world, with a high risk of a period of over ivnestment and then of under-investment &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Pettis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Pettis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, to address your question for one emerging market, China, I think that the risk of your scenario unfolding is pretty high.  It is true that non-food prices inflation is still low, but that misses the point altogether.  With such high price rises in the food component (officially 33% of the basket, in reality more), there should be DEFLATION in the non-food component, or at least disinflation, as spending is diverted away from non-food to food.  The fact that there is low but rising inflation in the non-food component has always been, for me, very strong evidence that inflation is a monetary problem and it is setting up the banking system for a sharp adjudstment.

When you speak off-the-record to think-tank or government types, there is a real sense of unease.  People still repeat the mantra -- it's pork, not money -- but it seems to me that they are doing it with less conviction.  The problem, as you knew I would say, is that none of the measures used so far to address monetary expansion are likely to work until they fix the capital flow imbalance, which at root is a currency problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, to address your question for one emerging market, China, I think that the risk of your scenario unfolding is pretty high.  It is true that non-food prices inflation is still low, but that misses the point altogether.  With such high price rises in the food component (officially 33% of the basket, in reality more), there should be DEFLATION in the non-food component, or at least disinflation, as spending is diverted away from non-food to food.  The fact that there is low but rising inflation in the non-food component has always been, for me, very strong evidence that inflation is a monetary problem and it is setting up the banking system for a sharp adjudstment.</p>
<p>When you speak off-the-record to think-tank or government types, there is a real sense of unease.  People still repeat the mantra &#8212; it&#8217;s pork, not money &#8212; but it seems to me that they are doing it with less conviction.  The problem, as you knew I would say, is that none of the measures used so far to address monetary expansion are likely to work until they fix the capital flow imbalance, which at root is a currency problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Taxpayer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/03/04/the-great-emerging-market-inflation-of-2007-and-2008/#comment-105869</link>
		<dc:creator>Taxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>taxpayer -- right now i don't see much floating, and i see a fair amount of deliberalization (notably price controls)
Written by bsetser on 2008-03-05 09:55:46

I wonder hold long they can hold out?
The export competitiveness that the peg gives them is creating a pressure point.
They can let the air out gradually (float or pseudo float like China) or risk a more damaging and unpredictable blowout.
The rush to get out of the dollar is not making it easier for them.
The commodities rises flowing through to foods like tempeh and pork are creating domestic tension.
They are wedging themselves with price controls, pinning their hopes on a commodities downturn sooner than they can realistically expect.
The commodities have their fund money floor -for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>taxpayer &#8212; right now i don&#8217;t see much floating, and i see a fair amount of deliberalization (notably price controls)<br />
Written by bsetser on 2008-03-05 09:55:46</p>
<p>I wonder hold long they can hold out?<br />
The export competitiveness that the peg gives them is creating a pressure point.<br />
They can let the air out gradually (float or pseudo float like China) or risk a more damaging and unpredictable blowout.<br />
The rush to get out of the dollar is not making it easier for them.<br />
The commodities rises flowing through to foods like tempeh and pork are creating domestic tension.<br />
They are wedging themselves with price controls, pinning their hopes on a commodities downturn sooner than they can realistically expect.<br />
The commodities have their fund money floor -for now.</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/03/04/the-great-emerging-market-inflation-of-2007-and-2008/#comment-105868</link>
		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC -- any company operating in different countries has to manage currency risk.  Toyota was making enormous profits when the yen was at 120, in part because of its (considerable) manufacturing and design skills and in part because of exchange rate moves in its favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC &#8212; any company operating in different countries has to manage currency risk.  Toyota was making enormous profits when the yen was at 120, in part because of its (considerable) manufacturing and design skills and in part because of exchange rate moves in its favor.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/03/04/the-great-emerging-market-inflation-of-2007-and-2008/#comment-105867</link>
		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Violent US Dollar currency shifts are extremely damaging to the "real" industrial economy. In the fourth quarter for example, Toyota Motor Corp reported approximately $194 million in currency related losses. Should Toyota concentrate on building high-quality manufacturing of vehicles or should their executives waste their time speculating in the currency markets? http://biz.yahoo.com/fxcm/080305/1204753356457.html?.v=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Violent US Dollar currency shifts are extremely damaging to the &#8220;real&#8221; industrial economy. In the fourth quarter for example, Toyota Motor Corp reported approximately $194 million in currency related losses. Should Toyota concentrate on building high-quality manufacturing of vehicles or should their executives waste their time speculating in the currency markets? <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/fxcm/080305/1204753356457.html?.v=1" rel="nofollow">http://biz.yahoo.com/fxcm/080305/1204753356457.html?.v=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/03/04/the-great-emerging-market-inflation-of-2007-and-2008/#comment-105866</link>
		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bsetser: 2fish - something similar happened in india, but savings didn't grow faster than investment

India and China really have very different economies.  A lot of the increase in savings was due to large amounts of savings in the state owned enterprises, and that resulted from the specific incentives that those enterprises are subject to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bsetser: 2fish - something similar happened in india, but savings didn&#8217;t grow faster than investment</p>
<p>India and China really have very different economies.  A lot of the increase in savings was due to large amounts of savings in the state owned enterprises, and that resulted from the specific incentives that those enterprises are subject to.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japan Central Bank may intervene to support tumbling dollar
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/03/03/ccjapan104.xml

Pressure is building in Japan for official intervention to cap the surging yen before it triggers a sharp industrial slowdown and tips the country back into slump.

Foreign hedge funds that borrowed at near zero-rates in Tokyo to chase higher yields abroad are scrambling to unwind "carry trade" positions, estimated at $1.4 trillion in its varied forms.

David Woo, currency chief at Barclays Capital, said: "I don't think we are yet at the point where the Bank of Japan is once again going to intervene by buying US Treasuries, but there is no question that people are worried. If the dollar gets to 100 yen, it could happen."

The major Asian powers are increasingly irked by what they see as America's beggar-thy-neighbour policy of dollar devaluation, which effectively steals growth from other countries. The question is when and exactly how they will react.

Often forgotten, Japan is still the biggest creditor nation by far, with net overseas assets of $3,000 billion. The last time Japan acted was during the deflation scare from 2003-2004, when it purchased $250bn of US Treasuries over a fifteen month period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japan Central Bank may intervene to support tumbling dollar<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/03/03/ccjapan104.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/03/03/ccjapan104.xml</a></p>
<p>Pressure is building in Japan for official intervention to cap the surging yen before it triggers a sharp industrial slowdown and tips the country back into slump.</p>
<p>Foreign hedge funds that borrowed at near zero-rates in Tokyo to chase higher yields abroad are scrambling to unwind &#8220;carry trade&#8221; positions, estimated at $1.4 trillion in its varied forms.</p>
<p>David Woo, currency chief at Barclays Capital, said: &#8220;I don&#8217;t think we are yet at the point where the Bank of Japan is once again going to intervene by buying US Treasuries, but there is no question that people are worried. If the dollar gets to 100 yen, it could happen.&#8221;</p>
<p>The major Asian powers are increasingly irked by what they see as America&#8217;s beggar-thy-neighbour policy of dollar devaluation, which effectively steals growth from other countries. The question is when and exactly how they will react.</p>
<p>Often forgotten, Japan is still the biggest creditor nation by far, with net overseas assets of $3,000 billion. The last time Japan acted was during the deflation scare from 2003-2004, when it purchased $250bn of US Treasuries over a fifteen month period.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/03/04/the-great-emerging-market-inflation-of-2007-and-2008/#comment-105864</link>
		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Federal Reserve is printing like there is no tommorrow for the US Economy.

Spot Oil rises to record $104
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080305/oil_prices.html

New Record Low Vs. Euro for the Dollar
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080305/dollar.html

Spot Gold at $991 per ounce, edges closer to $1,000
http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/05/markets/gold/index.htm?postversion=2008030512</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Federal Reserve is printing like there is no tommorrow for the US Economy.</p>
<p>Spot Oil rises to record $104<br />
<a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080305/oil_prices.html" rel="nofollow">http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080305/oil_prices.html</a></p>
<p>New Record Low Vs. Euro for the Dollar<br />
<a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080305/dollar.html" rel="nofollow">http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080305/dollar.html</a></p>
<p>Spot Gold at $991 per ounce, edges closer to $1,000<br />
<a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/05/markets/gold/index.htm?postversion=2008030512" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/05/markets/gold/index.htm?postversion=2008030512</a></p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faber, as usual, puts it best...

"...basically, if you print money like the Fed or other central banks do, the value of money - of paper money - goes down and then it's reflected in an increase in the value of assets such as gold that cannot be multiplied at the same rate.  I mean someone could say, "oh, the gold price has gone up a lot since 2001."  I can turn around and say: "No, the gold price is the same.  It's the dollar the dollar that has collapsed against the price of gold."  And why did the dollar collapse against the price of gold.  You call up Mr. Greenspan and Mr. Bernanke and you ask them about it.  Of course, they will never give an answer.  Each time Ron Paul asks them a sensible question they just evade the question and they move on to something else because, as I explained, they are a bunch of liars.  And actually, if there was a court for honest money, both Mr. Greenspan and Mr. Bernanke should be hanged..." http://www.financialsense.com/transcriptions/2008/0112.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faber, as usual, puts it best&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;basically, if you print money like the Fed or other central banks do, the value of money - of paper money - goes down and then it&#8217;s reflected in an increase in the value of assets such as gold that cannot be multiplied at the same rate.  I mean someone could say, &#8220;oh, the gold price has gone up a lot since 2001.&#8221;  I can turn around and say: &#8220;No, the gold price is the same.  It&#8217;s the dollar the dollar that has collapsed against the price of gold.&#8221;  And why did the dollar collapse against the price of gold.  You call up Mr. Greenspan and Mr. Bernanke and you ask them about it.  Of course, they will never give an answer.  Each time Ron Paul asks them a sensible question they just evade the question and they move on to something else because, as I explained, they are a bunch of liars.  And actually, if there was a court for honest money, both Mr. Greenspan and Mr. Bernanke should be hanged&#8230;&#8221; <a href="http://www.financialsense.com/transcriptions/2008/0112.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.financialsense.com/transcriptions/2008/0112.html</a></p>
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