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		<title>By: Judy Yeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Yeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, why the chinese government isn&#039;t transferring wealth (as measured by reserves) to its people might well be due to at least 3 reasons (just guessing, feel free to correct any erroneous guesses)
- safety nets only work when the supervisory system works well, corruption is a problem in China, after the scandal surrounding the pension scheme in Shanghai, there is little confidence in that , for good reason!
- the link between welfare systems and perceived encouragement to rely on government provisions instead of individual efforts makes it a potential minefield that no one wants to step on ; visions of inefficient state run factories (operational only in name) and &quot;employed&quot; workers receiving monthly stipends multiplying across China would make the blood of any investor run cold.
-as impervious as the chinese government seems, even they can see that the speculative pressures and growth cannot last, when the inevitable disaster descends, they have to have something to boost the economy, however short term it may be.

In the mean time, it may not be a bad idea to shore up demand for your exports by financing demand for it
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, why the chinese government isn&#8217;t transferring wealth (as measured by reserves) to its people might well be due to at least 3 reasons (just guessing, feel free to correct any erroneous guesses)<br />
- safety nets only work when the supervisory system works well, corruption is a problem in China, after the scandal surrounding the pension scheme in Shanghai, there is little confidence in that , for good reason!<br />
- the link between welfare systems and perceived encouragement to rely on government provisions instead of individual efforts makes it a potential minefield that no one wants to step on ; visions of inefficient state run factories (operational only in name) and &#8220;employed&#8221; workers receiving monthly stipends multiplying across China would make the blood of any investor run cold.<br />
-as impervious as the chinese government seems, even they can see that the speculative pressures and growth cannot last, when the inevitable disaster descends, they have to have something to boost the economy, however short term it may be.</p>
<p>In the mean time, it may not be a bad idea to shore up demand for your exports by financing demand for it<br />
Did that make any sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Taxpayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...1.3bn people that do not have guaranteed healthcare and/or pensions...&quot;
Written by chegewara on 2008-03-25 20:29:23

I think countries that have healthy people will do better economically than countries that use a big proportion of their GNPs on &quot;healthcare&quot;, which is based on ill health, trauma etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;1.3bn people that do not have guaranteed healthcare and/or pensions&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Written by chegewara on 2008-03-25 20:29:23</p>
<p>I think countries that have healthy people will do better economically than countries that use a big proportion of their GNPs on &#8220;healthcare&#8221;, which is based on ill health, trauma etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Desmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the massive misallocation of global capital that these foreign central banks reserves represent?

Why are less-developed nations investing in treasury bills instead of expanding their own economies? If you were in Brazil and knew that your country had invested 200 billion in treasury bills paying 2.25, when your own countries borrowing cost is closer to 7.8% on that money - wouldn&#039;t you be upset about the huge opportunity costs represented by that investment? How many more people could you have sent college, how much more infrastructure could you have bought with that money?

Equally importantly how productively has the US used this influx of capital? We spent it to finance a war in Iraq and to inflate the housing sector - but was the real economy improved at all? Perhaps this is the reason real wages are stagnant in the US lately? We did a very poor job of deploying this wave of capital despite our claims of comparitive advantage in financial engineering. Why did our capital markets fall so short in this task?

There was a time when the bond vigilantes had the power to stop the Fed from inflating the currency, when long term interest rates were determined by the market. But when interest rates are determined not by the market, but by the purchases of foreign central banks, then effectively there is no market price for US debt. Right now the price for capital is not being set by the wisdom of crowds as reflected by the financial market price, but by government officials. What is the long term historic track record of government officials in allocating capital?

My hunch is that the global economy would have been much larger if so much capital wasn&#039;t withdrawn from productive uses to be redeployed to less productive uses in the US. A wealthier 3rd world would have a much greater need for US products. My hunch is that this huge misallocation of capital is keeping US wages down too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the massive misallocation of global capital that these foreign central banks reserves represent?</p>
<p>Why are less-developed nations investing in treasury bills instead of expanding their own economies? If you were in Brazil and knew that your country had invested 200 billion in treasury bills paying 2.25, when your own countries borrowing cost is closer to 7.8% on that money &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t you be upset about the huge opportunity costs represented by that investment? How many more people could you have sent college, how much more infrastructure could you have bought with that money?</p>
<p>Equally importantly how productively has the US used this influx of capital? We spent it to finance a war in Iraq and to inflate the housing sector &#8211; but was the real economy improved at all? Perhaps this is the reason real wages are stagnant in the US lately? We did a very poor job of deploying this wave of capital despite our claims of comparitive advantage in financial engineering. Why did our capital markets fall so short in this task?</p>
<p>There was a time when the bond vigilantes had the power to stop the Fed from inflating the currency, when long term interest rates were determined by the market. But when interest rates are determined not by the market, but by the purchases of foreign central banks, then effectively there is no market price for US debt. Right now the price for capital is not being set by the wisdom of crowds as reflected by the financial market price, but by government officials. What is the long term historic track record of government officials in allocating capital?</p>
<p>My hunch is that the global economy would have been much larger if so much capital wasn&#8217;t withdrawn from productive uses to be redeployed to less productive uses in the US. A wealthier 3rd world would have a much greater need for US products. My hunch is that this huge misallocation of capital is keeping US wages down too.</p>
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		<title>By: Used_Mercedes</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO it&#039;s important to watch federal deficit vs trade deficit numbers. Right now federal deficit is lower than trade surplus of China, Japan, Russia and Saudis, so when the respective CBs buy the treasuries they drive the interest rated down. As the recession progresses and budget deficit balloons then treasury issuance will overwhelm foreign demand in treasuries which will cause the interest rates on treasuries to pop. I expect the new administration to give away $1T, yes one trillion dollars in tax rebates in 2009 and 2010.  This will cause interest rates spike big which will completely trash real estate. After that I expect the govt will nationalize the GSEs and will start giving 2.5% mortgages to everyone. This will completely and finally trash the USD.

Our current problems have been caused by loose lending on all levels. More and more money printing will not fix the problems but aggravate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO it&#8217;s important to watch federal deficit vs trade deficit numbers. Right now federal deficit is lower than trade surplus of China, Japan, Russia and Saudis, so when the respective CBs buy the treasuries they drive the interest rated down. As the recession progresses and budget deficit balloons then treasury issuance will overwhelm foreign demand in treasuries which will cause the interest rates on treasuries to pop. I expect the new administration to give away $1T, yes one trillion dollars in tax rebates in 2009 and 2010.  This will cause interest rates spike big which will completely trash real estate. After that I expect the govt will nationalize the GSEs and will start giving 2.5% mortgages to everyone. This will completely and finally trash the USD.</p>
<p>Our current problems have been caused by loose lending on all levels. More and more money printing will not fix the problems but aggravate them.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the correction in terminology.
So the accumulation of (probably excess) international savings all comes down to China and the oil producers.
I tend to agree with those who say, that triggers to come out of this deadlock situation might be
1. runaway inflation that becomes politically unmanagable
2. domestic political events, such as regime change in China or fundamentals taking over in Saud
3. geopolitical events, such as a US withdrawal from the Gulf region or transfer of Taiwan and Singapore to the Chinese sphere of influence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction in terminology.<br />
So the accumulation of (probably excess) international savings all comes down to China and the oil producers.<br />
I tend to agree with those who say, that triggers to come out of this deadlock situation might be<br />
1. runaway inflation that becomes politically unmanagable<br />
2. domestic political events, such as regime change in China or fundamentals taking over in Saud<br />
3. geopolitical events, such as a US withdrawal from the Gulf region or transfer of Taiwan and Singapore to the Chinese sphere of influence</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabor -- I think you are asking about the net investment position of these countries.  Brazil and india are offsetting private inflows, so there net investment position isn&#039;t improving.  Russia has a current account surplus, but the improvement in its net investment position from the buildup of assets that results has been offset in large part by the rise in the value of foreign holdings of russian equities.  China is clearly building up its net asset position; its net investment position is improving and is now quite positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabor &#8212; I think you are asking about the net investment position of these countries.  Brazil and india are offsetting private inflows, so there net investment position isn&#8217;t improving.  Russia has a current account surplus, but the improvement in its net investment position from the buildup of assets that results has been offset in large part by the rise in the value of foreign holdings of russian equities.  China is clearly building up its net asset position; its net investment position is improving and is now quite positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, it would be nice to see the net foreign capital position of these countries as well. It may well be that many of those CBs are just accumalating reserves in anticipation of money inflows into their countries.
Just think about the BRIC mania.
We might see only a few countries who are really increasing their net foreign reserve positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, it would be nice to see the net foreign capital position of these countries as well. It may well be that many of those CBs are just accumalating reserves in anticipation of money inflows into their countries.<br />
Just think about the BRIC mania.<br />
We might see only a few countries who are really increasing their net foreign reserve positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Chiang wrote: &quot;The real reason for the talk about an official US boycott of the China Olympics is that the Washington Elites don&#039;t want the American people going over there and seeing just how spectacular Beijing is.&quot;

American people actually CAN go anywhere and look at anything without some Central Committee giving a luke warm something about it. Perhaps this basic concept is still a bit difficult to understand for someone from Beijing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Chiang wrote: &#8220;The real reason for the talk about an official US boycott of the China Olympics is that the Washington Elites don&#8217;t want the American people going over there and seeing just how spectacular Beijing is.&#8221;</p>
<p>American people actually CAN go anywhere and look at anything without some Central Committee giving a luke warm something about it. Perhaps this basic concept is still a bit difficult to understand for someone from Beijing.</p>
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		<title>By: DF</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was only one government in the world and one currency and it was the US of the world and the currrency was the dollar : right now the FED would be financing the federal deficit.

Basically right now the foreign central banks are replacing the FED and financing the US government spending.

Why ? Probably because they can export more to the USA AND to the rest of the world :  each of them is afraid not to raise its reserves as long as the others do.

What are the consequences ?
In an hypothetical case of one world currency, inflation would probably follow. Since there is no full employment of the world labor force and of the available cash financing the world budget deficit would have some real positive effects especially if the spending is directed to useful use like building infrastructures, training people, depolluting, providing peace and security (and not creating havoc in the middle east.

What in the present multi currency world ?
First impact
1 inflation happens more in the countries who are financing the US than in the US. The US gets the right to spend more and this is a bit inflationnary if it is at full employment. BUt on the other hand, all its partners keep low currencies and this drives down wages and employment.
The other countries import inflation from the US and EUro, they also drive up commodities price, but the most important thing is : they keep low interest rates and create a lot of exogeneous money ... This drives home inflation up.

2 second impact
Well inflation is presently mitigated in those countries who finance the US federal deficit and US overall deficit by actions of sterilisation. How this works is  still hard for me to understand and I would like a very simple explanatory post from setser : Sterilisation for dummies.
My very basic understanding is : sterilisation weakens the banking sector of those countries where it happens.
So second impact : the banking sector is weakened in those countries because they face contradictory signs, the country is booming so they want to lend, yet there are administrative controls, and lots of money is sterilised (not sure what that means ok).

Third impact :
Stock markets are boosted globally. In the US they are because US companies have subsidiaries in the countries devaluating their currencies, import compenents from them and because thanks to that competition they can keep low wages despite a low unemployment rate.
In the other countries stock market are booming because relying on exports to boost demand means that wages can stay low also, allowing for more investment. On top of this, foreign money is pouring expecting future reevaluation, on top of this real rates are low.

4 fourth impact
Imbalances grow, and it s like a pendulum, potential energy is build up in the system. Every body knows sooner or later : reserve build up will end, the currencies of those countries adding dollars will rise fast, the US dollar currency will fall further, the value of the reserves will be lost.
By then We might see : deflation everywhere lots of bankrupcies in the exporting countries, the US might import some inflation back, but since all its economic partners will face deflation, the impact of the falling dollar will not be felt that much in prices. We might even see the FED trying to keep the dollar worth, raising rates to defend it,  forgetting about the health of the US economy.


5 just some more of the one currency example. Suppose suddenly the government stops being in deficit, much less monetary influx, indeed deflation follows.
I think the mind experiment is useful. a Multi currency model leads the USA to first export its inflation abroad, then export deflation abroad. THe USA at the center are more stable than those at the periphery relying on it.
Of course I think Europe is even more stable.




is not</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was only one government in the world and one currency and it was the US of the world and the currrency was the dollar : right now the FED would be financing the federal deficit.</p>
<p>Basically right now the foreign central banks are replacing the FED and financing the US government spending.</p>
<p>Why ? Probably because they can export more to the USA AND to the rest of the world :  each of them is afraid not to raise its reserves as long as the others do.</p>
<p>What are the consequences ?<br />
In an hypothetical case of one world currency, inflation would probably follow. Since there is no full employment of the world labor force and of the available cash financing the world budget deficit would have some real positive effects especially if the spending is directed to useful use like building infrastructures, training people, depolluting, providing peace and security (and not creating havoc in the middle east.</p>
<p>What in the present multi currency world ?<br />
First impact<br />
1 inflation happens more in the countries who are financing the US than in the US. The US gets the right to spend more and this is a bit inflationnary if it is at full employment. BUt on the other hand, all its partners keep low currencies and this drives down wages and employment.<br />
The other countries import inflation from the US and EUro, they also drive up commodities price, but the most important thing is : they keep low interest rates and create a lot of exogeneous money &#8230; This drives home inflation up.</p>
<p>2 second impact<br />
Well inflation is presently mitigated in those countries who finance the US federal deficit and US overall deficit by actions of sterilisation. How this works is  still hard for me to understand and I would like a very simple explanatory post from setser : Sterilisation for dummies.<br />
My very basic understanding is : sterilisation weakens the banking sector of those countries where it happens.<br />
So second impact : the banking sector is weakened in those countries because they face contradictory signs, the country is booming so they want to lend, yet there are administrative controls, and lots of money is sterilised (not sure what that means ok).</p>
<p>Third impact :<br />
Stock markets are boosted globally. In the US they are because US companies have subsidiaries in the countries devaluating their currencies, import compenents from them and because thanks to that competition they can keep low wages despite a low unemployment rate.<br />
In the other countries stock market are booming because relying on exports to boost demand means that wages can stay low also, allowing for more investment. On top of this, foreign money is pouring expecting future reevaluation, on top of this real rates are low.</p>
<p>4 fourth impact<br />
Imbalances grow, and it s like a pendulum, potential energy is build up in the system. Every body knows sooner or later : reserve build up will end, the currencies of those countries adding dollars will rise fast, the US dollar currency will fall further, the value of the reserves will be lost.<br />
By then We might see : deflation everywhere lots of bankrupcies in the exporting countries, the US might import some inflation back, but since all its economic partners will face deflation, the impact of the falling dollar will not be felt that much in prices. We might even see the FED trying to keep the dollar worth, raising rates to defend it,  forgetting about the health of the US economy.</p>
<p>5 just some more of the one currency example. Suppose suddenly the government stops being in deficit, much less monetary influx, indeed deflation follows.<br />
I think the mind experiment is useful. a Multi currency model leads the USA to first export its inflation abroad, then export deflation abroad. THe USA at the center are more stable than those at the periphery relying on it.<br />
Of course I think Europe is even more stable.</p>
<p>is not</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad - You are providing a valuable service by providing data on reserve accumulation abroad.  There are two aspects of the reserve accumulation - the snapshot of reserves showing the mix by currency at any particular time (dollars, yen, euros) and the change in this mix.  A big stock of dollar assets that is claiming a declining share of total reserve accumulations would be less worrisome to me (for the sake of the U.S. economy) than an accelerating share of dollars in total foreign reserves.

The sustainability of U.S. net foreign borrowing is a big question, but another is what will bring this borrowing to a close.  U.S. personal saving has been negligible for years, in my view because wealth has been growing strongly from asset appreciation.  Was the growth in asset values caused by productivity growth (as some have argue) or was it a by-product of the savings glut and low real interest rates?  In any event, it appears the appreciation has stopped.  The U.S. government is stepping in to try to keep spending up, but I think they are being short sighted and we may see real problems down the road when U.S. debts are high, possibly compounded by increasing interest rates that will magnify the effect on debt burdens.  Another response would be protectionist - try to reclaim part of the U.S. aggregate demand now leaking into the trade deficit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad &#8211; You are providing a valuable service by providing data on reserve accumulation abroad.  There are two aspects of the reserve accumulation &#8211; the snapshot of reserves showing the mix by currency at any particular time (dollars, yen, euros) and the change in this mix.  A big stock of dollar assets that is claiming a declining share of total reserve accumulations would be less worrisome to me (for the sake of the U.S. economy) than an accelerating share of dollars in total foreign reserves.</p>
<p>The sustainability of U.S. net foreign borrowing is a big question, but another is what will bring this borrowing to a close.  U.S. personal saving has been negligible for years, in my view because wealth has been growing strongly from asset appreciation.  Was the growth in asset values caused by productivity growth (as some have argue) or was it a by-product of the savings glut and low real interest rates?  In any event, it appears the appreciation has stopped.  The U.S. government is stepping in to try to keep spending up, but I think they are being short sighted and we may see real problems down the road when U.S. debts are high, possibly compounded by increasing interest rates that will magnify the effect on debt burdens.  Another response would be protectionist &#8211; try to reclaim part of the U.S. aggregate demand now leaking into the trade deficit.</p>
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