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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/04/06/just-how-much-money-do-sovereign-funds-have/#comment-106727</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The "emerging world" problem sounds a lot better than “Wall Street Gangsters / Fed / MSM Screwed Us Again” crisis. Well, it sounds better to these three groups, anyway. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
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The &#8220;emerging world&#8221; problem sounds a lot better than “Wall Street Gangsters / Fed / MSM Screwed Us Again” crisis. Well, it sounds better to these three groups, anyway. </p>
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		<title>By: Shrek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shrek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repeat after me. Because there are certain countries that are convinced they have to run a surplus someone has to run deficit.  As Brad as pointed out many times in the blog.  The emerging world played a sizeable role allowing credit to explode like crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repeat after me. Because there are certain countries that are convinced they have to run a surplus someone has to run deficit.  As Brad as pointed out many times in the blog.  The emerging world played a sizeable role allowing credit to explode like crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/04/06/just-how-much-money-do-sovereign-funds-have/#comment-106725</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's simple. The US administration wanted to keep the American sheeple happy so they could pursue the Iraq war for oil. So, they encouraged housing prices to bloat, making people feel happy, so they would take on more debt, and the US economy could grow on thin air. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately, like all policies out of Washington, it was short-sighted, cynical, and not well thought out. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some other countries followed the US model (ie. England), and enjoyed the same delusional "growth". Now it is all unraveling; it is not only causing world wide disruption, but completely discrediting the US as an economic leader/model.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The winners: China, Russia.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Does it all go back to 9/11? Did the US fall for the bait of Bin Laden, over-react, and contribute to its own demise? After all, would the US economy be ravaged without the $500 billion spent in Iraq, the government effort to create a housing bubble to keep people happy, if there had been no attack in 2001?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s simple. The US administration wanted to keep the American sheeple happy so they could pursue the Iraq war for oil. So, they encouraged housing prices to bloat, making people feel happy, so they would take on more debt, and the US economy could grow on thin air. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, like all policies out of Washington, it was short-sighted, cynical, and not well thought out. </p>
<p>Some other countries followed the US model (ie. England), and enjoyed the same delusional &#8220;growth&#8221;. Now it is all unraveling; it is not only causing world wide disruption, but completely discrediting the US as an economic leader/model.  </p>
<p>The winners: China, Russia.  </p>
<p>Does it all go back to 9/11? Did the US fall for the bait of Bin Laden, over-react, and contribute to its own demise? After all, would the US economy be ravaged without the $500 billion spent in Iraq, the government effort to create a housing bubble to keep people happy, if there had been no attack in 2001?</p>
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		<title>By: Indian Banker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/04/06/just-how-much-money-do-sovereign-funds-have/#comment-106724</link>
		<dc:creator>Indian Banker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>" more than two-thirds of the foreign capital buying American companies in 2006 still came from Europe"&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;is a highly misleading statement.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; more than two-thirds of the foreign capital buying American companies in 2006 still came from Europe&#8221;</p>
<p>is a highly misleading statement.  </p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/07/business/07sale.php?page=2&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Three years ago, Congress prevented a Chinese state-owned energy company from buying Unocal, the California oil company. The following year, a company based in the United Arab Emirates failed in a bid to run several American ports. Sovereign wealth funds — state-controlled pools of investment from China, Russia and the Middle East — have stoked worries that they could skew markets by pursuing national interests.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But even as emerging players have grabbed headlines, more than two-thirds of the foreign capital buying American companies in 2006 still came from Europe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
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<p>Three years ago, Congress prevented a Chinese state-owned energy company from buying Unocal, the California oil company. The following year, a company based in the United Arab Emirates failed in a bid to run several American ports. Sovereign wealth funds — state-controlled pools of investment from China, Russia and the Middle East — have stoked worries that they could skew markets by pursuing national interests.</p>
<p>But even as emerging players have grabbed headlines, more than two-thirds of the foreign capital buying American companies in 2006 still came from Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Gulf highlights some of the risks of having "competing" institutions managing the portfolio of a single monetary union.   The big gulf funds -- ADIA, KIA, QIA (which I left out of the discussion above) -- have relatively diversified portfolios and thus end up being net sellers of dollars globally, as they take $ from oil revenue and invest in a broad range of assets.  When the revenue stream from oil is small/ private demand for dollars is strong, that probably has no impact on the fx market.  But when the revenue stream is large and private demand is weak, it may have an impact on the market.   But weakness in the $ translates into weakness in the gulf currencies and more speculative inflows that the gulf will need to revalue -- which means, I think, that the GCC central banks end up accumulating a ton of dollars and the region as a whole doesn't diversify.   That at least is my theory.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can think of a host of similar coordination problems that would arise from having competing institutions in China manage China's risk portfolio.   The most obvious is two institutions bidding up the price of the same asset.   But there also is the question of one institution putting pressure on the $ via its portfolio choices and creating problems for the monetary authority.   that tho can only happen if the institution in question is big ... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Judy -- it seems to me that the CIC increasingly looks more like Temasek than the GIC.  big stakes in SOEs (state commercial banks) and a few big stakes abroad.  SAFE seems by contrast to me taking on some additional risks without hiving off a seperate pool of reserves to invest in risk assets.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;that said, the us data would suggest that safe has in aggregate gotten more not less conservative over the past few months.  it seems to be buying more treasuries at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Gulf highlights some of the risks of having &#8220;competing&#8221; institutions managing the portfolio of a single monetary union.   The big gulf funds &#8212; ADIA, KIA, QIA (which I left out of the discussion above) &#8212; have relatively diversified portfolios and thus end up being net sellers of dollars globally, as they take $ from oil revenue and invest in a broad range of assets.  When the revenue stream from oil is small/ private demand for dollars is strong, that probably has no impact on the fx market.  But when the revenue stream is large and private demand is weak, it may have an impact on the market.   But weakness in the $ translates into weakness in the gulf currencies and more speculative inflows that the gulf will need to revalue &#8212; which means, I think, that the GCC central banks end up accumulating a ton of dollars and the region as a whole doesn&#8217;t diversify.   That at least is my theory.</p>
<p>I can think of a host of similar coordination problems that would arise from having competing institutions in China manage China&#8217;s risk portfolio.   The most obvious is two institutions bidding up the price of the same asset.   But there also is the question of one institution putting pressure on the $ via its portfolio choices and creating problems for the monetary authority.   that tho can only happen if the institution in question is big &#8230; </p>
<p>Judy &#8212; it seems to me that the CIC increasingly looks more like Temasek than the GIC.  big stakes in SOEs (state commercial banks) and a few big stakes abroad.  SAFE seems by contrast to me taking on some additional risks without hiving off a seperate pool of reserves to invest in risk assets.</p>
<p>that said, the us data would suggest that safe has in aggregate gotten more not less conservative over the past few months.  it seems to be buying more treasuries at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Yeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Yeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Pettis - Perhaps, as with some other issues, China is talking a leaf out of the book of Singapore? the change in the portfolio and styles of GIC and Temasek seems to be a precursor of the SAFE and CIC situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Pettis - Perhaps, as with some other issues, China is talking a leaf out of the book of Singapore? the change in the portfolio and styles of GIC and Temasek seems to be a precursor of the SAFE and CIC situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Pettis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Pettis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha but I see you already discussed this topic two days ago.  Sorry, but I fell behind in my reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha but I see you already discussed this topic two days ago.  Sorry, but I fell behind in my reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Pettis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Pettis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To complicate matters, Brad, it is not always clear what the division is between an SWF and a central bank.  Last week SAFE (who invests on behalf of the PBoC) announced it had taken a $1.6 billion stake in France's Total, renewing gossip within China about a battle between SAFE (controlled by the PBoC) and CIC (controlled largely by the MoF) over who really gets to manage China's "risk" reserves.  If at least part of the SAFE money can do the same kinds of things the CIC can do, how is it different (except that it is much less transparent and more secretive than the CIC)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To complicate matters, Brad, it is not always clear what the division is between an SWF and a central bank.  Last week SAFE (who invests on behalf of the PBoC) announced it had taken a $1.6 billion stake in France&#8217;s Total, renewing gossip within China about a battle between SAFE (controlled by the PBoC) and CIC (controlled largely by the MoF) over who really gets to manage China&#8217;s &#8220;risk&#8221; reserves.  If at least part of the SAFE money can do the same kinds of things the CIC can do, how is it different (except that it is much less transparent and more secretive than the CIC)?</p>
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