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		<title>By: RebelEconomist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/05/08/the-de-facto-nationalization-of-the-global-financial-system/#comment-107634</link>
		<dc:creator>RebelEconomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Mark, the reserve inflows were a potential advantage to the US, and have actually long been envied by Europe.  Unfortunately, America failed to organise itself to take that advantage:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://reservedplace.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-economic-policy-shot-in-foot-2.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Mark, the reserve inflows were a potential advantage to the US, and have actually long been envied by Europe.  Unfortunately, America failed to organise itself to take that advantage:</p>
<p><a href="http://reservedplace.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-economic-policy-shot-in-foot-2.html" rel="nofollow">http://reservedplace.blogspot.com/2008/04/us-economic-policy-shot-in-foot-2.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/05/08/the-de-facto-nationalization-of-the-global-financial-system/#comment-107633</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 18:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is, though, that foreign nations, particularly China have artificially undervalued their currency versus the dollar. THe increases in debt in the United States and current account deficits were just the natural reactions to these circumstances. Now, the chickens have come home to roost, in Jerimiah Wrights words. THe real question is, which economic system can withstand a low valued dollar the most?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is it the European or Chinese? These are the nations that created the artificial circumstances in the first place. THe reason for this is that their economies are export driven. TO be competitive they required overvalued US dollars. With the depreciation of the dollar these economies will no longer be competitive. In fact, to survive, European corporations are going to have to move jobs to the United States.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;IN the United States, the problems will be higher gas and commodity prices. But, the fact is, the conspicuous consumption within the United States can easily handle reductions in energy and commodity utlization. That is a small accomodation to make given the fact that as a debtor nation we now can repay our bills with lower valued currency.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is, though, that foreign nations, particularly China have artificially undervalued their currency versus the dollar. THe increases in debt in the United States and current account deficits were just the natural reactions to these circumstances. Now, the chickens have come home to roost, in Jerimiah Wrights words. THe real question is, which economic system can withstand a low valued dollar the most?</p>
<p>Is it the European or Chinese? These are the nations that created the artificial circumstances in the first place. THe reason for this is that their economies are export driven. TO be competitive they required overvalued US dollars. With the depreciation of the dollar these economies will no longer be competitive. In fact, to survive, European corporations are going to have to move jobs to the United States.</p>
<p>IN the United States, the problems will be higher gas and commodity prices. But, the fact is, the conspicuous consumption within the United States can easily handle reductions in energy and commodity utlization. That is a small accomodation to make given the fact that as a debtor nation we now can repay our bills with lower valued currency.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Yeo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/05/08/the-de-facto-nationalization-of-the-global-financial-system/#comment-107632</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Yeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 10:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, been busy but hope Farrar is still reading this particular post&#039;s comments; been on other sites which focus on Brazil and Russia - they had lotsa comments but were mostly in Portuguese and Russian, both of which, due to my own incompetence, I don&#039;t speak , would be really interested if you could provide links to sites which provide English content on either or both Brazil and Russia. BTW, I&#039;m not American , came by Brad&#039;s site on a referral link from another site, though Brad hardly needs anyone to defend his site but itr&#039;s a bit hard to balance stats based material and interesting content, suffice to say, too much of either tends to alienate readers on either side of the spectrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, been busy but hope Farrar is still reading this particular post&#8217;s comments; been on other sites which focus on Brazil and Russia &#8211; they had lotsa comments but were mostly in Portuguese and Russian, both of which, due to my own incompetence, I don&#8217;t speak , would be really interested if you could provide links to sites which provide English content on either or both Brazil and Russia. BTW, I&#8217;m not American , came by Brad&#8217;s site on a referral link from another site, though Brad hardly needs anyone to defend his site but itr&#8217;s a bit hard to balance stats based material and interesting content, suffice to say, too much of either tends to alienate readers on either side of the spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that the US really has a wealth production problem.  What it has is a wealth distribution problem.  If you have an education and skills, the US economy is really, really good, the problem is that if you don&#039;t have education and skills then you are in trouble.  One thing that I think is driving a lot of what is going on is that we are in the age where wealth depends crucially on control and participation in social networks, and in this situation wealth attracts wealth.  It&#039;s not so much that wealthy people are conspiring to take wealth from poor people.  It&#039;s that if you get an owner of a concrete factory talking to an owner of a pencil factory, the interaction produces wealth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My prescription for the US is &quot;soak the rich&quot; in order to pay for public goods like health and education.  One interesting thing is that the subprime mortgage mess has been a very unintentional form of wealth distribution from Wall Street to people with poor credit.  Something more intentional would be useful.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as &quot;underground infrastructure&quot;, NYC is very unlike any other American city for its use of public transportation, and there are several large infrastructure projects going on right now, most of them being expansions of the subway/railway system.  The reason that got brought up is that one big project is the tunnel between Grand Central and the Long Island Railroad is going to drastically shorten the commute to JFK, which is why I find Gapper&#039;s remarks utterly non-sensical.  Also, I don&#039;t know why he was going to JFK since Newark is a much nicer airport, and I certainly have no idea why he was taking the BQE to JFK in a taxi.  (Since the most direct way to JFK is through the Long Island Expressway and then the Van Wyck.  My guess is that the taxi driver is trying to pad the fare since anyone that takes a yellow taxi to JFK is a sucker.) As for cell phones, I don&#039;t know why he had problems since I&#039;m typing this through my 3G cell internet connection on my way to Newark Airport.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that the US really has a wealth production problem.  What it has is a wealth distribution problem.  If you have an education and skills, the US economy is really, really good, the problem is that if you don&#8217;t have education and skills then you are in trouble.  One thing that I think is driving a lot of what is going on is that we are in the age where wealth depends crucially on control and participation in social networks, and in this situation wealth attracts wealth.  It&#8217;s not so much that wealthy people are conspiring to take wealth from poor people.  It&#8217;s that if you get an owner of a concrete factory talking to an owner of a pencil factory, the interaction produces wealth.</p>
<p>My prescription for the US is &quot;soak the rich&quot; in order to pay for public goods like health and education.  One interesting thing is that the subprime mortgage mess has been a very unintentional form of wealth distribution from Wall Street to people with poor credit.  Something more intentional would be useful.</p>
<p>As far as &quot;underground infrastructure&quot;, NYC is very unlike any other American city for its use of public transportation, and there are several large infrastructure projects going on right now, most of them being expansions of the subway/railway system.  The reason that got brought up is that one big project is the tunnel between Grand Central and the Long Island Railroad is going to drastically shorten the commute to JFK, which is why I find Gapper&#8217;s remarks utterly non-sensical.  Also, I don&#8217;t know why he was going to JFK since Newark is a much nicer airport, and I certainly have no idea why he was taking the BQE to JFK in a taxi.  (Since the most direct way to JFK is through the Long Island Expressway and then the Van Wyck.  My guess is that the taxi driver is trying to pad the fare since anyone that takes a yellow taxi to JFK is a sucker.) As for cell phones, I don&#8217;t know why he had problems since I&#8217;m typing this through my 3G cell internet connection on my way to Newark Airport.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unable to tap the housing ATM, credit card debt is now accelerating to support American living standards; this is not going to end well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unable to tap the housing ATM, credit card debt is now accelerating to support American living standards; this is not going to end well</p>
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		<title>By: shrek</title>
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		<dc:creator>shrek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Production is the key.  Restarting the current system, especially housing, simply adds even more currency pressure if thats even possible.  Very tough choices are going to have to be made no matter what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Production is the key.  Restarting the current system, especially housing, simply adds even more currency pressure if thats even possible.  Very tough choices are going to have to be made no matter what.</p>
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		<title>By: RebelEconomist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/05/08/the-de-facto-nationalization-of-the-global-financial-system/#comment-107628</link>
		<dc:creator>RebelEconomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for your reply, Brad.  I was assuming that the private sector deficit (spent on consumption and excessive housing for example) is the problem, and higher long term rates would mean less of that, such that the overall US deficit was shifted to the government, who would spend it on something more productive.  A deficit per se is not a problem, provided you spend it on something that yields more than the cost of funding.  You have to borrow to access the exorbitant privilege.  Both infrastructure spending and reserve accumulation imply a government deficit.  I am afraid that the &quot;American way&quot; is precisely what no longer works, and has to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply, Brad.  I was assuming that the private sector deficit (spent on consumption and excessive housing for example) is the problem, and higher long term rates would mean less of that, such that the overall US deficit was shifted to the government, who would spend it on something more productive.  A deficit per se is not a problem, provided you spend it on something that yields more than the cost of funding.  You have to borrow to access the exorbitant privilege.  Both infrastructure spending and reserve accumulation imply a government deficit.  I am afraid that the &quot;American way&quot; is precisely what no longer works, and has to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sky is falling! The sky is falling!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you look at the US current account deficit, pretty much all of it can attributed to two sources.  The Bush tax cuts and the Iraq war.  Neither of these were good ideas, but these two bad decisions are not going to doom the US, and the deficits aren&#039;t due to deeper problems in the US economy.  If you reverse the Bush tax cuts and stabilize the situation in Iraq, that&#039;s all you really have to do to make the numbers work out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sky is falling! The sky is falling!</p>
<p>If you look at the US current account deficit, pretty much all of it can attributed to two sources.  The Bush tax cuts and the Iraq war.  Neither of these were good ideas, but these two bad decisions are not going to doom the US, and the deficits aren&#8217;t due to deeper problems in the US economy.  If you reverse the Bush tax cuts and stabilize the situation in Iraq, that&#8217;s all you really have to do to make the numbers work out.</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flipper -- the RGE system automatically logs out inactive accounts, and typing a longish comment doesn&#039;t register as activity.  I have lost posts (not just comments) because of this.   the solution is to type the long comment in word (or a la rebel econ, set up your own blog! -- i don&#039;t mind references to blog posts that are in response to my post in the comments).   I generally though would prefer shortish to longish comments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rebel -- I think there is something to the Dutch disease anology.  But the solution to Dutch disease is usually more public savings (to avoid real appreciation), not more public investment.  More investment financed by government borrowing would have pushed up the risk free rate, but it also likely would have produced a bigger deficit.  Basically the answer would have been a policy of restraint -- we will lock up all the funds you send our way by adding to our reservse and sending them back out rather than spending the inflow.  and that isn&#039;t the american way.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;incidentally, we still are supporting our standard of living by debt.   look at the growth in the custodial accounts at the NY fed.  this week saw a small fall in total central bank holdings, but after the huge recent rise that isn&#039;t all that much of a surprise.  weekly data bounces around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flipper &#8212; the RGE system automatically logs out inactive accounts, and typing a longish comment doesn&#8217;t register as activity.  I have lost posts (not just comments) because of this.   the solution is to type the long comment in word (or a la rebel econ, set up your own blog! &#8212; i don&#8217;t mind references to blog posts that are in response to my post in the comments).   I generally though would prefer shortish to longish comments.</p>
<p>Rebel &#8212; I think there is something to the Dutch disease anology.  But the solution to Dutch disease is usually more public savings (to avoid real appreciation), not more public investment.  More investment financed by government borrowing would have pushed up the risk free rate, but it also likely would have produced a bigger deficit.  Basically the answer would have been a policy of restraint &#8212; we will lock up all the funds you send our way by adding to our reservse and sending them back out rather than spending the inflow.  and that isn&#8217;t the american way.</p>
<p>incidentally, we still are supporting our standard of living by debt.   look at the growth in the custodial accounts at the NY fed.  this week saw a small fall in total central bank holdings, but after the huge recent rise that isn&#8217;t all that much of a surprise.  weekly data bounces around.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s funny, Twofish. Most of the US infrastructure that is worth seeing is &quot;underground&quot; where it can&#039;t be seen. You are right that people tend to see only what they want to see, including marvelous &quot;infrastructure&quot; that is all &quot;underground&quot;. Or maybe in Texas, but nowhere else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s funny, Twofish. Most of the US infrastructure that is worth seeing is &quot;underground&quot; where it can&#8217;t be seen. You are right that people tend to see only what they want to see, including marvelous &quot;infrastructure&quot; that is all &quot;underground&quot;. Or maybe in Texas, but nowhere else?</p>
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