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	<title>Comments on: Don’t look to the TIC data to understand how the US financed its current account deficit in q1</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/05/16/don%e2%80%99t-look-to-the-tic-data-to-understand-how-the-us-financed-its-current-account-deficit-in-q1/#comment-107768</link>
		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 17:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fullcarry: It doesn’t seem like the US really wants the dollar to get any cheaper. 

One has to think very carefully about what it means when you say that a nation or a government "wants" something.  In the case of a totalitarian state, this is easy.  The Soviet government in 1941 wanted whatever Joe Stalin wanted, and the North Korean government today wants whatever Kim Jong-Il wants.

However neither China nor the United States are totalitarian states, and as a result the governments are made of lots of individuals all of whom want different things, and there is a lot of coalition building to form interest groups which also want different things.  China isn't a liberal democracy, but it isn't a totalitarian state either, and when it comes to economic policy, the fact that China isn't a liberal democracy becomes rather irrelevant to creating economic policy.

Economic policy in both China and United States for the most part is created by unelected bureaucrats and outside technical experts from business and academia with some input from the public.  For the most part there isn't that much debate about what people want (i.e. make me rich), and so the debate becomes how to give it to them, and most people fall asleep when you start discussing this.  The result of this is that the fact that China doesn't have multi-party elections becomes irrelevant when it comes to economic policy.  After all, who elected Bernanke, Paulson. Cox, or the heads of the major banks?  

As far as US currency appreciation.  It was a hot topic for a while because it involved a very unusual political alliance between textile manufacturers and Wall Street banks.  Textile manufacturers are interesting because they are the only industry that would benefit from China-specific tariffs.  Wall Street banks want open capital markets and would like RMB convertibility.

However both groups got what they wanted without a massive currency appreciation, and neither of them really care much about the issue anymore.

One other point is that I don't quite understand why China has such a strong advantage in textile manufactures, but it is one piece of the puzzle in Chinese history.  One big question is why China didn't have an indigenous industrial revolution, and the fact that China is outcompeting the rest of the world in textiles and light manufactures right now is quite significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fullcarry: It doesn’t seem like the US really wants the dollar to get any cheaper. </p>
<p>One has to think very carefully about what it means when you say that a nation or a government &#8220;wants&#8221; something.  In the case of a totalitarian state, this is easy.  The Soviet government in 1941 wanted whatever Joe Stalin wanted, and the North Korean government today wants whatever Kim Jong-Il wants.</p>
<p>However neither China nor the United States are totalitarian states, and as a result the governments are made of lots of individuals all of whom want different things, and there is a lot of coalition building to form interest groups which also want different things.  China isn&#8217;t a liberal democracy, but it isn&#8217;t a totalitarian state either, and when it comes to economic policy, the fact that China isn&#8217;t a liberal democracy becomes rather irrelevant to creating economic policy.</p>
<p>Economic policy in both China and United States for the most part is created by unelected bureaucrats and outside technical experts from business and academia with some input from the public.  For the most part there isn&#8217;t that much debate about what people want (i.e. make me rich), and so the debate becomes how to give it to them, and most people fall asleep when you start discussing this.  The result of this is that the fact that China doesn&#8217;t have multi-party elections becomes irrelevant when it comes to economic policy.  After all, who elected Bernanke, Paulson. Cox, or the heads of the major banks?  </p>
<p>As far as US currency appreciation.  It was a hot topic for a while because it involved a very unusual political alliance between textile manufacturers and Wall Street banks.  Textile manufacturers are interesting because they are the only industry that would benefit from China-specific tariffs.  Wall Street banks want open capital markets and would like RMB convertibility.</p>
<p>However both groups got what they wanted without a massive currency appreciation, and neither of them really care much about the issue anymore.</p>
<p>One other point is that I don&#8217;t quite understand why China has such a strong advantage in textile manufactures, but it is one piece of the puzzle in Chinese history.  One big question is why China didn&#8217;t have an indigenous industrial revolution, and the fact that China is outcompeting the rest of the world in textiles and light manufactures right now is quite significant.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/05/16/don%e2%80%99t-look-to-the-tic-data-to-understand-how-the-us-financed-its-current-account-deficit-in-q1/#comment-107767</link>
		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 16:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think redtape is the answer.  SAFE may have an office in Hong Kong but because of one country, two systems it does not have any governmental authority in HK.  A HK subsidiary of a PRC bank is subject to CIC and CBRC oversight through it's parent company and it is also subject to regulation by the HK banking authorities.  However the dollar deposits of a HK subsidiary of a PRC bank are *not* subject to SAFE authority since they are outside of the currency firewall.

This may be significant since SAFE is legendary for being very obstinate about permitting currency transactions.  Being able to allow or disallow currency transactions gives SAFE a huge amount of power, and they want people to know that they have it.

I have this sense that the Blackstone debacle really hurt CIC, since it seems that every PRC governmental entity with spare cash seems to be talking about forming its own SWF, which wasn't the case last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think redtape is the answer.  SAFE may have an office in Hong Kong but because of one country, two systems it does not have any governmental authority in HK.  A HK subsidiary of a PRC bank is subject to CIC and CBRC oversight through it&#8217;s parent company and it is also subject to regulation by the HK banking authorities.  However the dollar deposits of a HK subsidiary of a PRC bank are *not* subject to SAFE authority since they are outside of the currency firewall.</p>
<p>This may be significant since SAFE is legendary for being very obstinate about permitting currency transactions.  Being able to allow or disallow currency transactions gives SAFE a huge amount of power, and they want people to know that they have it.</p>
<p>I have this sense that the Blackstone debacle really hurt CIC, since it seems that every PRC governmental entity with spare cash seems to be talking about forming its own SWF, which wasn&#8217;t the case last year.</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 13:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurent -- Equities are tracked in the TIC data.  I didn't find an interesting story there this month.  Official purchases of equities (recorded ones) fell back after the splurge of dec and january and february, but that splurge was tied to the bank recapitalizations.

Judy -- I am not sure why China might be holding more reserves in HK.  I just am noting that it seems to be doing so.   SAFE has a HK office that was actively buying australian banks for example.    Redtape isn't the answer, since SAFE Beijing isn't subject to any restraints that SAFE HK also isn't subject to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurent &#8212; Equities are tracked in the TIC data.  I didn&#8217;t find an interesting story there this month.  Official purchases of equities (recorded ones) fell back after the splurge of dec and january and february, but that splurge was tied to the bank recapitalizations.</p>
<p>Judy &#8212; I am not sure why China might be holding more reserves in HK.  I just am noting that it seems to be doing so.   SAFE has a HK office that was actively buying australian banks for example.    Redtape isn&#8217;t the answer, since SAFE Beijing isn&#8217;t subject to any restraints that SAFE HK also isn&#8217;t subject to.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Yeo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/05/16/don%e2%80%99t-look-to-the-tic-data-to-understand-how-the-us-financed-its-current-account-deficit-in-q1/#comment-107765</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Yeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 13:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, got cut off, mistake, apologies...

eventualities; eg when they need to deploy reserves in a hurry?Or opportunities  when they wish to invest without all the additional redtape on the mainland?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, got cut off, mistake, apologies&#8230;</p>
<p>eventualities; eg when they need to deploy reserves in a hurry?Or opportunities  when they wish to invest without all the additional redtape on the mainland?</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Yeo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/05/16/don%e2%80%99t-look-to-the-tic-data-to-understand-how-the-us-financed-its-current-account-deficit-in-q1/#comment-107764</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Yeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 13:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,
Would it be fair to say then that the FED acts as a consumer bank for central banks? /clearing house of sorts?

"rising share of China’s reserves are held in HK."

are they preparing for any eventu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,<br />
Would it be fair to say then that the FED acts as a consumer bank for central banks? /clearing house of sorts?</p>
<p>&#8220;rising share of China’s reserves are held in HK.&#8221;</p>
<p>are they preparing for any eventu</p>
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		<title>By: Laurent GUERBY</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/05/16/don%e2%80%99t-look-to-the-tic-data-to-understand-how-the-us-financed-its-current-account-deficit-in-q1/#comment-107763</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurent GUERBY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 08:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice new blog!

There's no way to track equity purchases, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice new blog!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way to track equity purchases, right?</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/05/16/don%e2%80%99t-look-to-the-tic-data-to-understand-how-the-us-financed-its-current-account-deficit-in-q1/#comment-107762</link>
		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2fish -- i would be interested in the data showing HK's custodial liabilities.   I also suspect that a rising share of China's reserves are held in HK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2fish &#8212; i would be interested in the data showing HK&#8217;s custodial liabilities.   I also suspect that a rising share of China&#8217;s reserves are held in HK.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/05/16/don%e2%80%99t-look-to-the-tic-data-to-understand-how-the-us-financed-its-current-account-deficit-in-q1/#comment-107761</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that trade in the instruments of "financial innovation" is slowing down, those Londoners must be thankful that "private" appetite for official US securities is still there. 

Nice new location, BTW. I was wondering why NRoubini was trumpeting &lt;a href="http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/252596/" rel="nofollow"&gt;boatloads of new blogs&lt;/a&gt; on the good ol' RGE site. The reason is clear now as the RGE Monitor has lost its franchise player to free agency!
It used to be simpler in the olden days when I only had to visit two blogs (Roubini/Setser), but I guess things change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that trade in the instruments of &#8220;financial innovation&#8221; is slowing down, those Londoners must be thankful that &#8220;private&#8221; appetite for official US securities is still there. </p>
<p>Nice new location, BTW. I was wondering why NRoubini was trumpeting <a href="http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/252596/" rel="nofollow">boatloads of new blogs</a> on the good ol&#8217; RGE site. The reason is clear now as the RGE Monitor has lost its franchise player to free agency!<br />
It used to be simpler in the olden days when I only had to visit two blogs (Roubini/Setser), but I guess things change.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things about the China reserve data:

I think that some of the reserves are actually being held in Hong Kong.  The amount of custodial liabilities in HK has increased quite a bit.

Also, a lot of the PRC reserve growth may be from "informal money" that is now seeing the light of day as it is being converted to RMB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things about the China reserve data:</p>
<p>I think that some of the reserves are actually being held in Hong Kong.  The amount of custodial liabilities in HK has increased quite a bit.</p>
<p>Also, a lot of the PRC reserve growth may be from &#8220;informal money&#8221; that is now seeing the light of day as it is being converted to RMB.</p>
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		<title>By: Macro Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macro Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats on the new virtual digs, Brad, and keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats on the new virtual digs, Brad, and keep up the good work.</p>
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