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	<title>Comments on: What cann&#8217;t go on still hasn’t slowed, let alone stopped (Chinese reserve growth)</title>
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		<title>By: Brad Setser: Follow the Money &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The April TIC data lends itself to a host of different headlines …</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Setser: Follow the Money &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The April TIC data lends itself to a host of different headlines …</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] survey (see the June revisions to this series). We know that China’s reserves increased by about $80 billion (after adjusting for valuation gains) in April, so it is realistic to think that China’s true [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Indian Economy Blog &#187; Guest Post: On The Price of Crude Oil</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Indian Economy Blog &#187; Guest Post: On The Price of Crude Oil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brad Setser estimates the rise in monthly reserves in China at USD 74 billions in April. Given that dollar appreciated in April, the actual sum could be about USD 82 billion, nearly a trillion dollar annual rate! There is no need to analyse this. China&#8217;s policy is totally and utterly rudderless. Brad Setser is way too polite on this one. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Brad Setser estimates the rise in monthly reserves in China at USD 74 billions in April. Given that dollar appreciated in April, the actual sum could be about USD 82 billion, nearly a trillion dollar annual rate! There is no need to analyse this. China&#8217;s policy is totally and utterly rudderless. Brad Setser is way too polite on this one. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;Part of the skill of politics (whether in China or the United States) is to extract wealth in ways that aren’t obvious&quot;

Isn&#039;t THAT the truth.</description>
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<p>Isn&#8217;t THAT the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
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		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad - &quot;finally, someone decided two months ago to reverse (in seems) the policy of faster appreciation in the rMB (v the $) that was decided last fall.&quot;
I wonder. Maybe the policy has been consistently geared to promoting a given amount (or a given growth) in exports. Slowing global growth would mean a bigger currency undervaluation needed to maintain the exports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad &#8211; &#8220;finally, someone decided two months ago to reverse (in seems) the policy of faster appreciation in the rMB (v the $) that was decided last fall.&#8221;<br />
I wonder. Maybe the policy has been consistently geared to promoting a given amount (or a given growth) in exports. Slowing global growth would mean a bigger currency undervaluation needed to maintain the exports.</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 18:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2fish -- stronger labor demand would tend to push up wages.   Tis hard to defend the current system when wage growth has lagged productivity, so labor income is falling relative to GDP.   I don&#039;t think the overhang for old SOEs can explain slow recent job growth either -- my sense is that SOE reform was mostly over by say 03.  

finally, someone decided two months ago to reverse (in seems) the policy of faster appreciation in the rMB (v the $) that was decided last fall.  Either that or there was an ex ante decision to slow down and reassess after a few months ...   and i am not sure that the tortoise and the hare analogy works.  the hare and the tortoise were heading toward the same finish line.  so far, china hasn&#039;t managed to adopt policies that have even started to direct policy toward a smaller external surplus and less exchange rate intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2fish &#8212; stronger labor demand would tend to push up wages.   Tis hard to defend the current system when wage growth has lagged productivity, so labor income is falling relative to GDP.   I don&#8217;t think the overhang for old SOEs can explain slow recent job growth either &#8212; my sense is that SOE reform was mostly over by say 03.  </p>
<p>finally, someone decided two months ago to reverse (in seems) the policy of faster appreciation in the rMB (v the $) that was decided last fall.  Either that or there was an ex ante decision to slow down and reassess after a few months &#8230;   and i am not sure that the tortoise and the hare analogy works.  the hare and the tortoise were heading toward the same finish line.  so far, china hasn&#8217;t managed to adopt policies that have even started to direct policy toward a smaller external surplus and less exchange rate intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bsetser: But it isn’t at all clear that Chinese policy makers are willing to take the steps needed to shift decisively toward a new set of policies. 

Ever since the Gang of Four got kicked out, China has never done anything quickly and decisively.  Even things that look decisive in hindsight turn out to take several years of experimentation and debate.  It&#039;s worked quite well so far, and I don&#039;t see much reason to change.

The story of the turtle and the hare is relevant there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bsetser: But it isn’t at all clear that Chinese policy makers are willing to take the steps needed to shift decisively toward a new set of policies. </p>
<p>Ever since the Gang of Four got kicked out, China has never done anything quickly and decisively.  Even things that look decisive in hindsight turn out to take several years of experimentation and debate.  It&#8217;s worked quite well so far, and I don&#8217;t see much reason to change.</p>
<p>The story of the turtle and the hare is relevant there.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bsetser: yes. the amazing thing is that China’s policies haven’t produced strong job growth inside China. Job growth has actually been anemic relative to growth.

It&#039;s actually not.  A lot of Chinese policy has been to improve productivity and efficiency.  While export factories created new jobs, this was happening at exactly the same time the old state owned factories were laying people off in huge numbers.

If you want job growth, you want to make things *inefficient* and *unproductive*.  The trouble with doing that is that you get jobs, but they end up being low paying.

In the case of China, the number of manufacturing jobs hasn&#039;t increased over the last thirty years.  However productivity has increase tremendously and once you have productivity, you boost incomes which then creates a service sector, which then moves people off of farms and into the city.  Someone gets a pay raise, and they get their hair done, hires a babysitter, and then remodels their kitchen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bsetser: yes. the amazing thing is that China’s policies haven’t produced strong job growth inside China. Job growth has actually been anemic relative to growth.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually not.  A lot of Chinese policy has been to improve productivity and efficiency.  While export factories created new jobs, this was happening at exactly the same time the old state owned factories were laying people off in huge numbers.</p>
<p>If you want job growth, you want to make things *inefficient* and *unproductive*.  The trouble with doing that is that you get jobs, but they end up being low paying.</p>
<p>In the case of China, the number of manufacturing jobs hasn&#8217;t increased over the last thirty years.  However productivity has increase tremendously and once you have productivity, you boost incomes which then creates a service sector, which then moves people off of farms and into the city.  Someone gets a pay raise, and they get their hair done, hires a babysitter, and then remodels their kitchen.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emmanuel: Of course, inflation is not really that much of a concern in a totalitarian regime like China–let them eat galloping inflation

Actually inflation is a concern for China, though less of a concern than unemployment.  Remember 1989.  China is not a liberal democracy, but it isn&#039;t a totalitarian regime.

Emmanuel: My guess is that China is really keen on maintaining a gradualist strategy towards RMB appreciation, come hell or high water. 

I doubt things are that coordinated.  Most likely the thinking is &quot;well, after a 100 meetings, we finally decided six months ago to gradually change the RMB, and if we want to revisit that decision, we need a hundred more meetings.&quot;

The Chinese Communist Party intentionally distributes power across a lot of centers to prevent another Mao Zedong, and so to make any decision on anything fundamental takes time.

cas127: Why is the Chinese government willing to ship hard goods to every corner of the planet and yet be utterly content to simply sit on the corresponding mountains of paper debt?

It keeps people in factories and off of the street.  Also, this assumes that the Chinese government is much more directed than it actually is.  It takes a while for the Chinese government to figure out what it wants to do, and what it wants to do may not always match what actually happens, since you do W for reason X, expecting that Y happens but then Z actually does.  I doubt that there was a master plan to make reserves so large.  

bsetser: Isn’t there a risk that China’s population turns on its government for “wasting” so much of its savings buying US debt? 

Doubtful.  As long as it isn&#039;t obviously coming out of their pocket people just won&#039;t care what happens.  Part of the skill of politics (whether in China or the United States) is to extract wealth in ways that aren&#039;t obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emmanuel: Of course, inflation is not really that much of a concern in a totalitarian regime like China–let them eat galloping inflation</p>
<p>Actually inflation is a concern for China, though less of a concern than unemployment.  Remember 1989.  China is not a liberal democracy, but it isn&#8217;t a totalitarian regime.</p>
<p>Emmanuel: My guess is that China is really keen on maintaining a gradualist strategy towards RMB appreciation, come hell or high water. </p>
<p>I doubt things are that coordinated.  Most likely the thinking is &#8220;well, after a 100 meetings, we finally decided six months ago to gradually change the RMB, and if we want to revisit that decision, we need a hundred more meetings.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Chinese Communist Party intentionally distributes power across a lot of centers to prevent another Mao Zedong, and so to make any decision on anything fundamental takes time.</p>
<p>cas127: Why is the Chinese government willing to ship hard goods to every corner of the planet and yet be utterly content to simply sit on the corresponding mountains of paper debt?</p>
<p>It keeps people in factories and off of the street.  Also, this assumes that the Chinese government is much more directed than it actually is.  It takes a while for the Chinese government to figure out what it wants to do, and what it wants to do may not always match what actually happens, since you do W for reason X, expecting that Y happens but then Z actually does.  I doubt that there was a master plan to make reserves so large.  </p>
<p>bsetser: Isn’t there a risk that China’s population turns on its government for “wasting” so much of its savings buying US debt? </p>
<p>Doubtful.  As long as it isn&#8217;t obviously coming out of their pocket people just won&#8217;t care what happens.  Part of the skill of politics (whether in China or the United States) is to extract wealth in ways that aren&#8217;t obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: jin</title>
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		<dc:creator>jin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is normal that the labor share of GDP is trending down during development area, since China is working to move up in the value chain to shift from labor intensive sectors to capital intensive sectors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is normal that the labor share of GDP is trending down during development area, since China is working to move up in the value chain to shift from labor intensive sectors to capital intensive sectors.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Shriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Shriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad:
Thank you for your informative and recently frightening blog.  You are doing a service.  I hope more policymakers pay attention.

I wonder if you could comment on how so much money flows back into the rest of the financial system.  Presumably it starts with account balances at the banks used by counterparties in the forex markets where USD is first purchased with newly-minted yuan.

It is hard to understand how flows this big could remain invisible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad:<br />
Thank you for your informative and recently frightening blog.  You are doing a service.  I hope more policymakers pay attention.</p>
<p>I wonder if you could comment on how so much money flows back into the rest of the financial system.  Presumably it starts with account balances at the banks used by counterparties in the forex markets where USD is first purchased with newly-minted yuan.</p>
<p>It is hard to understand how flows this big could remain invisible.</p>
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