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		<title>By: Of course Chinese dollar holdings rose, but something changed drastically</title>
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		<dc:creator>Of course Chinese dollar holdings rose, but something changed drastically</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] – sometimes in amounts close to or even greater that the US deficit, as Brad Setser recently implied – and so for a little longer those concerns [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rien Huizer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rien Huizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Brad, patience pse with a retiree and hobby scholar. My expertise is in institutions, finance and political economy of East Asia, that combination tends to look at numerical analysis with some caution.. But, I don&#039;t think the IMF guys and me are too far apart. I agree that net exports are becoming less of a processing spread and more of a residual of two variables with different FX elasticities. But I believe that there is still a lot of cheap labor to be mined by the traditional sweatshop&amp;pollution operators (moving inland, facilitated by improving transport and utilities) whilst at the oppositie end of the development ladder there are emerging clusters of manufacturing capabilities (with global dominance)  that can not be moved easily, are extremely competitive and may be on the verge op price setting capacity. A much longer piece on this topic would have used a sort of parabolic pattern of FX sensitivity, with positions on the development ladder as horizontal axis. As China as a whole climbs that ladder, sensitivity will first increase and later decrease again as more and more industries and locations become short term price setters and sweatshops move to India. Given the potential scale of Chinese firms&#039; (assuming a Japanese level of openness) domestic markets, the victors (locally/HK/ROC owned) as well as entrenched MNCs will have tremendous global pricing power. By then of course financial markets in China will have grown up, firms will have developed normal sensitivities for price-based monetary policy and the RMB become a normal currency. It is all  matter of time, subject to political continuity and a benevolent external trading regime. It may not be in the US&#039; long term interest to let that happen, but hat is another story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Brad, patience pse with a retiree and hobby scholar. My expertise is in institutions, finance and political economy of East Asia, that combination tends to look at numerical analysis with some caution.. But, I don&#8217;t think the IMF guys and me are too far apart. I agree that net exports are becoming less of a processing spread and more of a residual of two variables with different FX elasticities. But I believe that there is still a lot of cheap labor to be mined by the traditional sweatshop&amp;pollution operators (moving inland, facilitated by improving transport and utilities) whilst at the oppositie end of the development ladder there are emerging clusters of manufacturing capabilities (with global dominance)  that can not be moved easily, are extremely competitive and may be on the verge op price setting capacity. A much longer piece on this topic would have used a sort of parabolic pattern of FX sensitivity, with positions on the development ladder as horizontal axis. As China as a whole climbs that ladder, sensitivity will first increase and later decrease again as more and more industries and locations become short term price setters and sweatshops move to India. Given the potential scale of Chinese firms&#8217; (assuming a Japanese level of openness) domestic markets, the victors (locally/HK/ROC owned) as well as entrenched MNCs will have tremendous global pricing power. By then of course financial markets in China will have grown up, firms will have developed normal sensitivities for price-based monetary policy and the RMB become a normal currency. It is all  matter of time, subject to political continuity and a benevolent external trading regime. It may not be in the US&#8217; long term interest to let that happen, but hat is another story.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to Guangzhou to get some supply for my business on April this year. Indeed, the prices have gone up because the yuan is stronger, but I have no choice. China is still cheaper than many nations and the trading system is more sophisticated there. 

What I noticed was that Chinese government really organized things really well to support their trade. Sure, US and Europe are still the main destination for Chinese goods. But China has built connection all over the world, even in Iraq and Afghanistan. Even without US or Europe, China will still be able to sell their goods to emerging markets and their own domestic market. Recently, there is also news that China and Germany will launch a rail cargo between two nations. 

As good leadership is not enough, the Chinese productivity is also amazing. They&#039;re willing to work longer hours. Some people say they&#039;re enslaved, but that is just pure ballooney. They should go to the factories in China and talk with the workers themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to Guangzhou to get some supply for my business on April this year. Indeed, the prices have gone up because the yuan is stronger, but I have no choice. China is still cheaper than many nations and the trading system is more sophisticated there. </p>
<p>What I noticed was that Chinese government really organized things really well to support their trade. Sure, US and Europe are still the main destination for Chinese goods. But China has built connection all over the world, even in Iraq and Afghanistan. Even without US or Europe, China will still be able to sell their goods to emerging markets and their own domestic market. Recently, there is also news that China and Germany will launch a rail cargo between two nations. </p>
<p>As good leadership is not enough, the Chinese productivity is also amazing. They&#8217;re willing to work longer hours. Some people say they&#8217;re enslaved, but that is just pure ballooney. They should go to the factories in China and talk with the workers themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rien -- I liked your points on SWFs, though Wall street would scream if &quot;tribal&quot; SWFs were precluded from trading actively.  ADIA generates a lot of business ... 

I fail though to see why exchange rates don&#039;t matter to contract manufacturers.   The recent trend (see the world bank&#039;s work on this, and the IMf&#039;s work) has been to subsititute Chinese components for imported components.  This presumably has something to do with the exchange rate.   And if the RMB rises, contract manufacturers would look elsewhere.  If the cost savings on production in China are not large enough, US and European MNCs would source production in their home markets (see the Wall Street Journal story in my next post).

Finally, the empirical evidence strongly suggests Chinese -- meaning goods production in China, whether by Chinese firms, Asian contract manufacturers or US/ european firms -- exports does respond to the real exchange rate.  Goldman found that a fall in the real value of the RMB significantly increased China&#039;s export growth.  And the pattern of Chinese trade with Europe provides prima facia evidence that the exchange rate matters.  Do you really think China&#039;s (with China defined in the BoP sense to include goods produced in China by foreign enterprises) current export surge to Europe is unrelated to the huge fall in the RMB v the Euro?

finally, China&#039;s export model has moved beyond the Asian norm.  Other Asian economies never ran 10% of GDP current account surpluses during the investment phase of their development.  such large surpluses are also new for China -- and perhaps not coincidentally, they emerged only after the rmb joined the dollar in a broad based depreciation against the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rien &#8212; I liked your points on SWFs, though Wall street would scream if &#8220;tribal&#8221; SWFs were precluded from trading actively.  ADIA generates a lot of business &#8230; </p>
<p>I fail though to see why exchange rates don&#8217;t matter to contract manufacturers.   The recent trend (see the world bank&#8217;s work on this, and the IMf&#8217;s work) has been to subsititute Chinese components for imported components.  This presumably has something to do with the exchange rate.   And if the RMB rises, contract manufacturers would look elsewhere.  If the cost savings on production in China are not large enough, US and European MNCs would source production in their home markets (see the Wall Street Journal story in my next post).</p>
<p>Finally, the empirical evidence strongly suggests Chinese &#8212; meaning goods production in China, whether by Chinese firms, Asian contract manufacturers or US/ european firms &#8212; exports does respond to the real exchange rate.  Goldman found that a fall in the real value of the RMB significantly increased China&#8217;s export growth.  And the pattern of Chinese trade with Europe provides prima facia evidence that the exchange rate matters.  Do you really think China&#8217;s (with China defined in the BoP sense to include goods produced in China by foreign enterprises) current export surge to Europe is unrelated to the huge fall in the RMB v the Euro?</p>
<p>finally, China&#8217;s export model has moved beyond the Asian norm.  Other Asian economies never ran 10% of GDP current account surpluses during the investment phase of their development.  such large surpluses are also new for China &#8212; and perhaps not coincidentally, they emerged only after the rmb joined the dollar in a broad based depreciation against the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Rien Huizer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/06/11/is-chinese-export-growth-accelerating-once-again/#comment-108587</link>
		<dc:creator>Rien Huizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;china&quot; does not export, Exporters residing in China do. Many of these exporters are subsidiaries of or contract manufacturers for foreign (Taiwanese, American, Japanese, Korean, European etc) companies, often fairly recently established. These firms tend to have brand- and market share strategies and expect their Chinese operations to be competitive. Given the still existing cost flexibities and earlier mentioned increasing efficiency of production, even a big RMB revaluation would not have much effect. Imports are dominated by raw materials and intercompany (equipment and components) trade. It is definitely not 100% under the control of &quot;China&quot;, if that means the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;china&#8221; does not export, Exporters residing in China do. Many of these exporters are subsidiaries of or contract manufacturers for foreign (Taiwanese, American, Japanese, Korean, European etc) companies, often fairly recently established. These firms tend to have brand- and market share strategies and expect their Chinese operations to be competitive. Given the still existing cost flexibities and earlier mentioned increasing efficiency of production, even a big RMB revaluation would not have much effect. Imports are dominated by raw materials and intercompany (equipment and components) trade. It is definitely not 100% under the control of &#8220;China&#8221;, if that means the state.</p>
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		<title>By: david_in_ct</title>
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		<dc:creator>david_in_ct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US trade deficit is going to take a huge turn for the better over the next few years. 
Oil has priced itself out of the transportation fuel market and the technological fix will be to eliminate its use entirely.  Once this starts happening (18 months till the GM volt kicks off the parade) the change will be breathtakingly fast.  I believe that the adoption of all electric vehicles will occur virtually overnight, especially in the US.
It will be like ipods, zero to complete market saturation in a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US trade deficit is going to take a huge turn for the better over the next few years.<br />
Oil has priced itself out of the transportation fuel market and the technological fix will be to eliminate its use entirely.  Once this starts happening (18 months till the GM volt kicks off the parade) the change will be breathtakingly fast.  I believe that the adoption of all electric vehicles will occur virtually overnight, especially in the US.<br />
It will be like ipods, zero to complete market saturation in a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Richman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Richman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

Thank you for checking into the growth of US and Chinese exports to oil-exporting economies.

Howard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>Thank you for checking into the growth of US and Chinese exports to oil-exporting economies.</p>
<p>Howard</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard -- both US and Chinese exports to the oil-exporting economies are growing rapidly.  Their import bills just happen to be growing more rapidly.

Mheck -- thanks for catching my error.   If China makes up for its rising oil import bill with a rising surplus with Europe, i think europe ends up being the region that absorbs the biggest swing in its current account position: higher oil, offset in part by higher exports to the oil-exporting economies and a larger deficit with China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard &#8212; both US and Chinese exports to the oil-exporting economies are growing rapidly.  Their import bills just happen to be growing more rapidly.</p>
<p>Mheck &#8212; thanks for catching my error.   If China makes up for its rising oil import bill with a rising surplus with Europe, i think europe ends up being the region that absorbs the biggest swing in its current account position: higher oil, offset in part by higher exports to the oil-exporting economies and a larger deficit with China.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Chiang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Chiang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The continued focus on the China yuan (is US inflation not high enough) is a questionable idea that somehow the Chinese are saving too much money - that they should become rampant consumers like their bankrupted American peers. The high Chinese savings rate, is not an issue that is structurally more problematic than the average Joe6pack in the US just being fiscally irresponsible with their money. It is apples to oranges, and this is an issue that really should be addressed as an US domestic issue. Another area where I think Paulson is a bit off in his pointed criticism of China&#039;s economy being opaque to foreign investment. It is interesting that some 70 billion in FDI is making it into China on a yearly basis (not including the 40 billion in hot money), yet the Chinese rules are somehow opaque.

http://www.allroadsleadtochina.com/index.php/2008/06/11/paulson-remarks-on-4th-round-of-us-china-strategic-economic-dialogue/#more-778</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The continued focus on the China yuan (is US inflation not high enough) is a questionable idea that somehow the Chinese are saving too much money &#8211; that they should become rampant consumers like their bankrupted American peers. The high Chinese savings rate, is not an issue that is structurally more problematic than the average Joe6pack in the US just being fiscally irresponsible with their money. It is apples to oranges, and this is an issue that really should be addressed as an US domestic issue. Another area where I think Paulson is a bit off in his pointed criticism of China&#8217;s economy being opaque to foreign investment. It is interesting that some 70 billion in FDI is making it into China on a yearly basis (not including the 40 billion in hot money), yet the Chinese rules are somehow opaque.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.allroadsleadtochina.com/index.php/2008/06/11/paulson-remarks-on-4th-round-of-us-china-strategic-economic-dialogue/#more-778" rel="nofollow">http://www.allroadsleadtochina.com/index.php/2008/06/11/paulson-remarks-on-4th-round-of-us-china-strategic-economic-dialogue/#more-778</a></p>
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		<title>By: mheck</title>
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		<dc:creator>mheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If China’s surplus rises this year in the face of a massive oil shock, the deficits of the other oil exporters have to be correspondingly bigger.&lt;/i&gt;

Probably you mean &#039;other oil *importers*&#039;. You may correct this, if you want to publish this elsewhere. 
But even then, one could as well say, the surpluses of oil exporters have to shrink correspondingly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If China’s surplus rises this year in the face of a massive oil shock, the deficits of the other oil exporters have to be correspondingly bigger.</i></p>
<p>Probably you mean &#8216;other oil *importers*&#8217;. You may correct this, if you want to publish this elsewhere.<br />
But even then, one could as well say, the surpluses of oil exporters have to shrink correspondingly&#8230;</p>
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