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		<title>By: flow5</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The I-Bank customer deposits are maintained with a commercial bank. I-Banks are the customers of the commercial banks. Deposits maintained by commercial banks with other CBs are called interbank demand deposits or clearing balances.

I set the parameters for defining CBs. The transactions of I-banks behave differently.

Example:  Since Mutual Savings Bank’s (MS B)  inception, it has been illogical that their account balances in the Member Commercial Banks (MCB)were designated as inter-bank demand deposits (IBDD’s –balances maintained by customer banks in correspondent banks), presumably because MSBs were called banks (with the exception of 6 MSB banks that had MCB regulations) and were insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and not the Federal Savings &#38; Loan Insurance Corporation (FSLIC), and not counted in M1.  

At the same time S&#38;L’s deposits were insured by the FSLIC and their balances in the MCBs were not designated as IBDDs (were counted in M1); neither institution had the right to hold deposits transferable on demand, without notice, and without income penalty (the legal basis for becoming a MCB), prior to the Depository Institutions Deregulation &#38; Monetary Control Act (DIDMCA); both were the customers of the MCBs; and neither had Regulation Q restrictions prior to 1965. 
 
Thus the M1 figure, even now, increasingly overstates the quantity of the means-of-payment money.  This upward bias is the consequence of classifying Savings and Loan and Credit Union Deposits as commercial banks (but not Mutual Savings Bank deposits) as demand deposits, rather than inter-bank demand deposits.  M1 thus includes both the Negotiable Order of Withdrawal (NOW) account balances and the thrifts’ balances in the commercial banks – a double counting of our means-of-payment money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The I-Bank customer deposits are maintained with a commercial bank. I-Banks are the customers of the commercial banks. Deposits maintained by commercial banks with other CBs are called interbank demand deposits or clearing balances.</p>
<p>I set the parameters for defining CBs. The transactions of I-banks behave differently.</p>
<p>Example:  Since Mutual Savings Bank’s (MS B)  inception, it has been illogical that their account balances in the Member Commercial Banks (MCB)were designated as inter-bank demand deposits (IBDD’s –balances maintained by customer banks in correspondent banks), presumably because MSBs were called banks (with the exception of 6 MSB banks that had MCB regulations) and were insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and not the Federal Savings &amp; Loan Insurance Corporation (FSLIC), and not counted in M1.  </p>
<p>At the same time S&amp;L’s deposits were insured by the FSLIC and their balances in the MCBs were not designated as IBDDs (were counted in M1); neither institution had the right to hold deposits transferable on demand, without notice, and without income penalty (the legal basis for becoming a MCB), prior to the Depository Institutions Deregulation &amp; Monetary Control Act (DIDMCA); both were the customers of the MCBs; and neither had Regulation Q restrictions prior to 1965. </p>
<p>Thus the M1 figure, even now, increasingly overstates the quantity of the means-of-payment money.  This upward bias is the consequence of classifying Savings and Loan and Credit Union Deposits as commercial banks (but not Mutual Savings Bank deposits) as demand deposits, rather than inter-bank demand deposits.  M1 thus includes both the Negotiable Order of Withdrawal (NOW) account balances and the thrifts’ balances in the commercial banks – a double counting of our means-of-payment money.</p>
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		<title>By: flow5</title>
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		<dc:creator>flow5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Treasury didn't retire the notes. And the Treasury will spend it's new deposits.  And the shifting to and from the General Fund account does effect bank reserves but the "trading desk" offsets any change.  

And the money loaned to you (which you use to purchase Treasuries) is not existing money, but it is newly created money (the product of fractional reserve banking).  As Friedman would say - "the bookkeeper's pen is at work".  And don't expect anything to balance (the expansion coefficient), when legal reserves are no longer "binding".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Treasury didn&#8217;t retire the notes. And the Treasury will spend it&#8217;s new deposits.  And the shifting to and from the General Fund account does effect bank reserves but the &#8220;trading desk&#8221; offsets any change.  </p>
<p>And the money loaned to you (which you use to purchase Treasuries) is not existing money, but it is newly created money (the product of fractional reserve banking).  As Friedman would say - &#8220;the bookkeeper&#8217;s pen is at work&#8221;.  And don&#8217;t expect anything to balance (the expansion coefficient), when legal reserves are no longer &#8220;binding&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't see how this works.  Bank loans me $1000, I then use the $1000 to buy Treasuries.  That cash goes to the US government which then reduces its liabilities to the Fed.  I now have $1000 in Treasuries that are not balanced by any deposits in the commercial banking system.

I can also deposit my money with an investment bank which then enters into exactly the same sorts of transactions that a commercial bank does.  The $100 I loan to my bank isn't any different from the $100 I loan to my broker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how this works.  Bank loans me $1000, I then use the $1000 to buy Treasuries.  That cash goes to the US government which then reduces its liabilities to the Fed.  I now have $1000 in Treasuries that are not balanced by any deposits in the commercial banking system.</p>
<p>I can also deposit my money with an investment bank which then enters into exactly the same sorts of transactions that a commercial bank does.  The $100 I loan to my bank isn&#8217;t any different from the $100 I loan to my broker.</p>
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		<title>By: flow5</title>
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		<dc:creator>flow5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I go too far just delete the post:
The most egregious error in Keynesian economics is the insistence that commercial banks are financial intermediaries: 
A commercial bank becomse a financial intermediary only when there is a 100% reserve ratio applied to its deposits.

Any institution whose liabilities can be transferred on demand, without notice, and without income penalty, by data networks, checks, or similar types of negotiable credit instruments, and whose deposits are regarded by the public as money, can create new money, provided that the institution is not encountering a negative cash flow.

From a systems viewpoint, commercial banks as contrasted to financial intermediaries:  never loan out, and can’t loan out, existing deposits (saved or otherwise) including existing transaction deposits (TRs), or time deposits (TDs) or the owner’s equity or any liability item.

When CBs grant loans to, or purchase securities from, the non-bank public (which includes every institution, the U.S. Treasury, the U.S. Government, state, and other governmental jurisdictions) and every person, except the commercial and the Reserve Banks), they acquire title to earning assets by initially, the creation of an equal volume of new money- (TRs).

The lending capacity of the member CBs of the Federal Reserve System is limited by the volume of free-gratis legal reserves put at their disposal by the Federal Reserve Banks in conjunction with the reserve ratios applicable to their deposit liabilities (transaction accounts), as fixed by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.

Since 1942, money creation is a system process.  No bank, or minority group of banks (from an asset standpoint), can expand credit (create money), significantly faster than the majority banks expand.  

From the standpoint of the individual commercial banker, his institution is an intermediary. An inflow of deposits increases his -gratis legal reserves, not a tax [sic] – and thereby it’s lending capacity. But all such inflows involve a decrease in the lending capacity of other commercial banks (outflow of cash and due from bank items), unless the inflow results from a return flow of currency held by the non-bank public, or is a consequence of an expansion of Reserve Bank credit.  Hence, all CB liabilities are derivative.

That is, CB time/savings deposits, unlike savings accounts in the “thrifts”, bear a direct, one-to-one, unvarying relationship, to transactions accounts.  As TDs grow, TRs shrink pari passu, and vice versa.  The fact that currency may supply an intermediary step (i.e., TRs to currency to TDs, and vice versa) does not invalidate the above statement.  

Monetary savings are never transferred to the intermediaries; rather monetary savings are always transferred through the intermediaries.  Indeed, as evidenced by the existence of “float”, reserve credits tend, on the average, to precede reserve debits.  Therefore, it is a delusion to assume that savings can be “attracted” from the intermediaries, for the funds never leave the commercial banking system.  

Consequently, the effect of allowing CBs to “compete” with S&#38;Ls, MSBs, CUs, MMFs, IBs and other intermediaries (non-banks) has been, and will be, to reduce the size of the intermediaries (as deregulation did in the 80’s) – reduce the supply of loan-funds (available savings), increase the proportion, and the total costs of CB TDs.

Contrary to the DIDMCA underpinnings, member commercial bank disintermediation is not, and has not been, predicted on interest rate ceilings. Disintermediation for the CBs can only exist in a situation in which there is both a massive loss of faith in the credit of the banks and an inability on the part of the Federal Reserve to prevent bank credit contraction, as a consequence of currency withdrawals. The last period of disintermediation for the CBs occurred during the Great Depression, which had its most force in March 1933. Ever since 1933, the Federal Reserve has had the capacity to take unified action, through its "open market power", to prevent any outflow of currency from the banking system.

However, disintermediation for financial intermediaries-S&#38;Ls, MSBs, CUs, (non-banks), etc., is predicated on their loan inventory (and thus can be induced by the rates paid by the commercial banks); earning assets with historically lower fixed rate and longer term structures. In other words, competition among commercial banks for TDs has: 1) increased the costs and diminished the profits of commercial banks; 2) induced disintermediation among the "thrifts" with devastating effects on housing and other areas of the economy; and 3) forced individual bankers to pay higher and higher rates to acquire, or hold, funds.

Savers (contrary to the premise underlying the DIDMCA in which CBs are assumed to be intermediaries and in competition with thrifts) never transfer their savings out of the banking system (unless they are hoarding currency).  This applies to all investments made directly or indirectly through intermediaries. Shifts from TDs to TRs within the CBs and the transfer of the ownership of these TRs to the thrifts involves a shift in the form of bank liabilities (from TD to TR) and a shift in the ownership of (existing) TRs (from savers to thrifts, et al). The utilization of these TRs by the thrifts has no effect on the volume of TRs held by the CBs or the volume of their earnings assets.

In the context of their lending operations it is only possible to reduce bank assets and TRs by retiring bank-held loans, e.g., the only way to reduce the volume of demand deposits is for the saver-holder to use his funds for the payment of a bank loan, interest on a bank loan for the payment of a bank service, or for the purchase from their banks of any type of commercial bank security obligation, e.g., banks stocks, debentures, etc.

The financial intermediaries can lend no more (and in practice they lend less) than the volume of savings placed at their disposal; whereas the commercial banks, as a system, can make loans (if monetary policy permits and the opportunity is present) which amount to server times the initial excess reserves held.  

Financial intermediaries (non-banks) lend existing money which has been saved, and all of these savings originate outside the intermediaries; whereas the CBs lend no existing deposits or savings; they always, as noted, create new money in the lending process.  Saved TRs that are transferred to the S&#38;Ls, etc., are not transferred out of the CBs; only their ownership is transferred.  The reverse process, which is called “disintermediation”, has the opposite effect: the intermediaries shrink in size, but the size of the CBs remains the same.


From a System standpoint, time deposits represent savings have a velocity of zero.  As long as savings are held in the commercial banking system, they are lost to investment.  The savings held in the commercial banks, whether in the form of time or demand deposits, can only be spent by their owners; they are not, and cannot, be spent by the banks.   

From a system standpoint, TDs constitute an alteration of bank liabilities, their growth does not per se add to the “footings” of the consolidated balance sheet for the system. They obviously therefore are not a source of loan-funds for the banking system as a whole, and indeed their growth has no effect on the size or gross earnings of the banking system, except as their growth affects are transmitted through monetary policy. 

Lending by intermediaries is not accompanied by an increase in the volume, but is associated with an increase in the velocity of money.  Here investment equals savings (and velocity is evidence of the investment process), where in the case of the CB credit, investment does not equal savings but is associated with an enlargement and turnover of new money.

The difference is the volume of savings held in the commercial banking system is idle, and lost to investment as long as it is held within the commercial banking system.   Such a cessation of the circuit income and transactions velocity of funds, funds which constitute a prior cost of production, cannot but have recessionary effects in our highly interdependent pecuniary economy.  Thus, the growth of time deposits shrinks aggregate demand and therefore produces adverse effects on GDP and the level of employment. 

PUBLICATIONS
Dr. Leland James Pritchard (MS, statistics - Syracuse, Ph.D, Economics - Chicago, 1933) described stagflation 1958 Money &#38; Banking Hough McMillian
“The Economics of the Commercial Bank Savings-Investment Process in the United States” -- “Estratto dalla Rivista Internazionale di Scienze Econbomiche &#38; Commerciali “  Anno XVI – 1969 – n. 7
“Profit or Loss from Time Deposit Banking” -- Banking and Monetary Studies, Comptroller of the Currency, United States Treasury Department, Irwin, 1963, pp. 369-386.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I go too far just delete the post:<br />
The most egregious error in Keynesian economics is the insistence that commercial banks are financial intermediaries:<br />
A commercial bank becomse a financial intermediary only when there is a 100% reserve ratio applied to its deposits.</p>
<p>Any institution whose liabilities can be transferred on demand, without notice, and without income penalty, by data networks, checks, or similar types of negotiable credit instruments, and whose deposits are regarded by the public as money, can create new money, provided that the institution is not encountering a negative cash flow.</p>
<p>From a systems viewpoint, commercial banks as contrasted to financial intermediaries:  never loan out, and can’t loan out, existing deposits (saved or otherwise) including existing transaction deposits (TRs), or time deposits (TDs) or the owner’s equity or any liability item.</p>
<p>When CBs grant loans to, or purchase securities from, the non-bank public (which includes every institution, the U.S. Treasury, the U.S. Government, state, and other governmental jurisdictions) and every person, except the commercial and the Reserve Banks), they acquire title to earning assets by initially, the creation of an equal volume of new money- (TRs).</p>
<p>The lending capacity of the member CBs of the Federal Reserve System is limited by the volume of free-gratis legal reserves put at their disposal by the Federal Reserve Banks in conjunction with the reserve ratios applicable to their deposit liabilities (transaction accounts), as fixed by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.</p>
<p>Since 1942, money creation is a system process.  No bank, or minority group of banks (from an asset standpoint), can expand credit (create money), significantly faster than the majority banks expand.  </p>
<p>From the standpoint of the individual commercial banker, his institution is an intermediary. An inflow of deposits increases his -gratis legal reserves, not a tax [sic] – and thereby it’s lending capacity. But all such inflows involve a decrease in the lending capacity of other commercial banks (outflow of cash and due from bank items), unless the inflow results from a return flow of currency held by the non-bank public, or is a consequence of an expansion of Reserve Bank credit.  Hence, all CB liabilities are derivative.</p>
<p>That is, CB time/savings deposits, unlike savings accounts in the “thrifts”, bear a direct, one-to-one, unvarying relationship, to transactions accounts.  As TDs grow, TRs shrink pari passu, and vice versa.  The fact that currency may supply an intermediary step (i.e., TRs to currency to TDs, and vice versa) does not invalidate the above statement.  </p>
<p>Monetary savings are never transferred to the intermediaries; rather monetary savings are always transferred through the intermediaries.  Indeed, as evidenced by the existence of “float”, reserve credits tend, on the average, to precede reserve debits.  Therefore, it is a delusion to assume that savings can be “attracted” from the intermediaries, for the funds never leave the commercial banking system.  </p>
<p>Consequently, the effect of allowing CBs to “compete” with S&amp;Ls, MSBs, CUs, MMFs, IBs and other intermediaries (non-banks) has been, and will be, to reduce the size of the intermediaries (as deregulation did in the 80’s) – reduce the supply of loan-funds (available savings), increase the proportion, and the total costs of CB TDs.</p>
<p>Contrary to the DIDMCA underpinnings, member commercial bank disintermediation is not, and has not been, predicted on interest rate ceilings. Disintermediation for the CBs can only exist in a situation in which there is both a massive loss of faith in the credit of the banks and an inability on the part of the Federal Reserve to prevent bank credit contraction, as a consequence of currency withdrawals. The last period of disintermediation for the CBs occurred during the Great Depression, which had its most force in March 1933. Ever since 1933, the Federal Reserve has had the capacity to take unified action, through its &#8220;open market power&#8221;, to prevent any outflow of currency from the banking system.</p>
<p>However, disintermediation for financial intermediaries-S&amp;Ls, MSBs, CUs, (non-banks), etc., is predicated on their loan inventory (and thus can be induced by the rates paid by the commercial banks); earning assets with historically lower fixed rate and longer term structures. In other words, competition among commercial banks for TDs has: 1) increased the costs and diminished the profits of commercial banks; 2) induced disintermediation among the &#8220;thrifts&#8221; with devastating effects on housing and other areas of the economy; and 3) forced individual bankers to pay higher and higher rates to acquire, or hold, funds.</p>
<p>Savers (contrary to the premise underlying the DIDMCA in which CBs are assumed to be intermediaries and in competition with thrifts) never transfer their savings out of the banking system (unless they are hoarding currency).  This applies to all investments made directly or indirectly through intermediaries. Shifts from TDs to TRs within the CBs and the transfer of the ownership of these TRs to the thrifts involves a shift in the form of bank liabilities (from TD to TR) and a shift in the ownership of (existing) TRs (from savers to thrifts, et al). The utilization of these TRs by the thrifts has no effect on the volume of TRs held by the CBs or the volume of their earnings assets.</p>
<p>In the context of their lending operations it is only possible to reduce bank assets and TRs by retiring bank-held loans, e.g., the only way to reduce the volume of demand deposits is for the saver-holder to use his funds for the payment of a bank loan, interest on a bank loan for the payment of a bank service, or for the purchase from their banks of any type of commercial bank security obligation, e.g., banks stocks, debentures, etc.</p>
<p>The financial intermediaries can lend no more (and in practice they lend less) than the volume of savings placed at their disposal; whereas the commercial banks, as a system, can make loans (if monetary policy permits and the opportunity is present) which amount to server times the initial excess reserves held.  </p>
<p>Financial intermediaries (non-banks) lend existing money which has been saved, and all of these savings originate outside the intermediaries; whereas the CBs lend no existing deposits or savings; they always, as noted, create new money in the lending process.  Saved TRs that are transferred to the S&amp;Ls, etc., are not transferred out of the CBs; only their ownership is transferred.  The reverse process, which is called “disintermediation”, has the opposite effect: the intermediaries shrink in size, but the size of the CBs remains the same.</p>
<p>From a System standpoint, time deposits represent savings have a velocity of zero.  As long as savings are held in the commercial banking system, they are lost to investment.  The savings held in the commercial banks, whether in the form of time or demand deposits, can only be spent by their owners; they are not, and cannot, be spent by the banks.   </p>
<p>From a system standpoint, TDs constitute an alteration of bank liabilities, their growth does not per se add to the “footings” of the consolidated balance sheet for the system. They obviously therefore are not a source of loan-funds for the banking system as a whole, and indeed their growth has no effect on the size or gross earnings of the banking system, except as their growth affects are transmitted through monetary policy. </p>
<p>Lending by intermediaries is not accompanied by an increase in the volume, but is associated with an increase in the velocity of money.  Here investment equals savings (and velocity is evidence of the investment process), where in the case of the CB credit, investment does not equal savings but is associated with an enlargement and turnover of new money.</p>
<p>The difference is the volume of savings held in the commercial banking system is idle, and lost to investment as long as it is held within the commercial banking system.   Such a cessation of the circuit income and transactions velocity of funds, funds which constitute a prior cost of production, cannot but have recessionary effects in our highly interdependent pecuniary economy.  Thus, the growth of time deposits shrinks aggregate demand and therefore produces adverse effects on GDP and the level of employment. </p>
<p>PUBLICATIONS<br />
Dr. Leland James Pritchard (MS, statistics - Syracuse, Ph.D, Economics - Chicago, 1933) described stagflation 1958 Money &amp; Banking Hough McMillian<br />
“The Economics of the Commercial Bank Savings-Investment Process in the United States” &#8212; “Estratto dalla Rivista Internazionale di Scienze Econbomiche &amp; Commerciali “  Anno XVI – 1969 – n. 7<br />
“Profit or Loss from Time Deposit Banking” &#8212; Banking and Monetary Studies, Comptroller of the Currency, United States Treasury Department, Irwin, 1963, pp. 369-386.</p>
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		<title>By: Rien Huizer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rien Huizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flow 5: excuse the many unintelligible typos! I am working with a new computer and it seems to defeat my attempts at typing English
Sentence 1: intuitioality must be institutionality
sentence 2: balanceS
Sentence 3 should read "But that did not happen"
sentence 4: self-evident
sentence 6 preyed upon, peace of mind..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flow 5: excuse the many unintelligible typos! I am working with a new computer and it seems to defeat my attempts at typing English<br />
Sentence 1: intuitioality must be institutionality<br />
sentence 2: balanceS<br />
Sentence 3 should read &#8220;But that did not happen&#8221;<br />
sentence 4: self-evident<br />
sentence 6 preyed upon, peace of mind..</p>
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		<title>By: Rien Huizer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rien Huizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flow 5 : you have an intriguing view of intitutioality. Once, the banks that started to compete by paying interest on previously idle balance, in order to (a) defend against non-bank competition (b) take turf away from more timid banks and (c) build a business that would look more like the european universal banks with their diversified earnings streams, could have been constrained by aggressive regulation (like investment banks could have been forced to stick to fixed commissions (although the Supreme Court might have been a problem). But not happen. Do you sincrely believe regultion solves any problems in excess of the cost of regulation? There may be a few instances but they are not in finance. But, the risk averse public can be preayed upon and perhaps their piece of mind is worth something. I would say (expletive) the laobaiqing..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flow 5 : you have an intriguing view of intitutioality. Once, the banks that started to compete by paying interest on previously idle balance, in order to (a) defend against non-bank competition (b) take turf away from more timid banks and (c) build a business that would look more like the european universal banks with their diversified earnings streams, could have been constrained by aggressive regulation (like investment banks could have been forced to stick to fixed commissions (although the Supreme Court might have been a problem). But not happen. Do you sincrely believe regultion solves any problems in excess of the cost of regulation? There may be a few instances but they are not in finance. But, the risk averse public can be preayed upon and perhaps their piece of mind is worth something. I would say (expletive) the laobaiqing..</p>
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		<title>By: flow5</title>
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		<dc:creator>flow5</dc:creator>
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		<description>Add the Euro-Dollar into the equation.  It has been, and will continue to be, a superfluous and harmful addition to the already excessive national monetary stocks of the world. 

It is estimated by the BIS that more than 7.44 trillion Eurodollars were in existence as of 2004, and the E-D bankers have increased their earning assets by approximately that amount. This figure is approximately equal to the size of the U.S. means-of-payment money supply (M2 - 7.67 trillion). 

This vast addition to the world's money supply has substantially contributed to the high rates of inflation and thus to the mounting portfolios of the world's Central Banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add the Euro-Dollar into the equation.  It has been, and will continue to be, a superfluous and harmful addition to the already excessive national monetary stocks of the world. </p>
<p>It is estimated by the BIS that more than 7.44 trillion Eurodollars were in existence as of 2004, and the E-D bankers have increased their earning assets by approximately that amount. This figure is approximately equal to the size of the U.S. means-of-payment money supply (M2 - 7.67 trillion). </p>
<p>This vast addition to the world&#8217;s money supply has substantially contributed to the high rates of inflation and thus to the mounting portfolios of the world&#8217;s Central Banks.</p>
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		<title>By: flow5</title>
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		<dc:creator>flow5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the individual commercial banker, non-banks are obviously competitors. Funds transferred from his bank to a non-bank usually resulted in a loss of deposits, and often the opportunity to make bankable loans. Bankers, Congress, and most of the banking authorities have simply not been able to grasp and to construct our financial institutions in a systems context. From a system standpoint the non-banks and the commercial banks are not competitive, but have a relationship that can be mutually beneficial to the economy.

The drive by the commercial bankers to expand their savings accounts has a totally irrational motivation, since it has meant, from a systems standpoint, competing for the opportunity to pay higher and higher interest rates on deposits that already exist in the commercial banking system. But it does profit a particular bank, Citibank, to pioneer the introduction of a new financial instrument such as the negotiable CD until their competitors catch up; and then all are losers. The question is not whether net earnings on CD assets are greater than the cost of the CDs to the bank; the question is the effect on the total profitability of the banking system. This is not a zero sum game. One bank’s gain is less than the losses sustained by other banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the individual commercial banker, non-banks are obviously competitors. Funds transferred from his bank to a non-bank usually resulted in a loss of deposits, and often the opportunity to make bankable loans. Bankers, Congress, and most of the banking authorities have simply not been able to grasp and to construct our financial institutions in a systems context. From a system standpoint the non-banks and the commercial banks are not competitive, but have a relationship that can be mutually beneficial to the economy.</p>
<p>The drive by the commercial bankers to expand their savings accounts has a totally irrational motivation, since it has meant, from a systems standpoint, competing for the opportunity to pay higher and higher interest rates on deposits that already exist in the commercial banking system. But it does profit a particular bank, Citibank, to pioneer the introduction of a new financial instrument such as the negotiable CD until their competitors catch up; and then all are losers. The question is not whether net earnings on CD assets are greater than the cost of the CDs to the bank; the question is the effect on the total profitability of the banking system. This is not a zero sum game. One bank’s gain is less than the losses sustained by other banks.</p>
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		<title>By: RebelEconomist</title>
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		<dc:creator>RebelEconomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"My interpretation of all this is that during the 04-06 period, central bank demand for (relatively low yielding) Agencies freed up private capital to be deployed in the higher-risk, higher-reward portions of the mortgage market, with disastrous results. No doubts others will interpret the data differently."

Yes, others will!  I note that the dip in the US private holdings of agency debt in your last graph is much larger than the rise in foreign private or official holdings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My interpretation of all this is that during the 04-06 period, central bank demand for (relatively low yielding) Agencies freed up private capital to be deployed in the higher-risk, higher-reward portions of the mortgage market, with disastrous results. No doubts others will interpret the data differently.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, others will!  I note that the dip in the US private holdings of agency debt in your last graph is much larger than the rise in foreign private or official holdings.</p>
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		<title>By: Rien Huizer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rien Huizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flow 5: the FED is simply the fall guy of a cleverly designed political responsibility transferring system. As to Reg Q, I guess you have never ben a bank treasurer, and certainly not in 1981. Your proposal would grant competitive advantage to islamic banks. They have figured out how to keep deposits without paying interest (formally). 
I would have no problem with changing deposit insurance (lower mount, a personal guarantee (of max USD 250000 rather thn a guarantee that applies to institutions, plus regulatory supervision that would identify eligbile deposittakers. Premiums should be paid by depositors themselves. The trouble is that FDIC-like schemes have spread ll around the world, in the wake of financial sector reform (s a "best practice") and it is imposible to design them in such a way  that they () offer some legitimate protection to consumers and (b) remove the basic agency problem of banking. But then again, banks are genuinely useful (i.e. they are very hard to replicate by financial markets and non-bank service providers) and they tend to be popular among politicians who exploit a variety of irrationalities profitably. Just accept that banks will be either weakened by non bank competition in good times and require occasional bail outs in bad times. And now there i also attention for entities without a banking charter that do things looking like banking, pretty soon my children will have an opportunity to be bailed out if I fail to produce the promised inheritance when my time comes..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flow 5: the FED is simply the fall guy of a cleverly designed political responsibility transferring system. As to Reg Q, I guess you have never ben a bank treasurer, and certainly not in 1981. Your proposal would grant competitive advantage to islamic banks. They have figured out how to keep deposits without paying interest (formally).<br />
I would have no problem with changing deposit insurance (lower mount, a personal guarantee (of max USD 250000 rather thn a guarantee that applies to institutions, plus regulatory supervision that would identify eligbile deposittakers. Premiums should be paid by depositors themselves. The trouble is that FDIC-like schemes have spread ll around the world, in the wake of financial sector reform (s a &#8220;best practice&#8221;) and it is imposible to design them in such a way  that they () offer some legitimate protection to consumers and (b) remove the basic agency problem of banking. But then again, banks are genuinely useful (i.e. they are very hard to replicate by financial markets and non-bank service providers) and they tend to be popular among politicians who exploit a variety of irrationalities profitably. Just accept that banks will be either weakened by non bank competition in good times and require occasional bail outs in bad times. And now there i also attention for entities without a banking charter that do things looking like banking, pretty soon my children will have an opportunity to be bailed out if I fail to produce the promised inheritance when my time comes..</p>
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