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		<title>By: Charts and News for Monday &#8212; Stormy Weather&#8230; &#171; Red Hot Energy and Gold</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/07/19/the-2008-oil-shock/#comment-120888</link>
		<dc:creator>Charts and News for Monday &#8212; Stormy Weather&#8230; &#171; Red Hot Energy and Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Charts and News for Monday &#8212; Stormy Weather&#8230; &#171; red-hot-energy-and-gold</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/07/19/the-2008-oil-shock/#comment-119961</link>
		<dc:creator>Charts and News for Monday &#8212; Stormy Weather&#8230; &#171; red-hot-energy-and-gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Charts and News for Monday &#8212; Stormy Weather&#8230; &#171; Red-Hot Energy and Gold</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/07/19/the-2008-oil-shock/#comment-119950</link>
		<dc:creator>Charts and News for Monday &#8212; Stormy Weather&#8230; &#171; Red-Hot Energy and Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rien Huizer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/07/19/the-2008-oil-shock/#comment-110459</link>
		<dc:creator>Rien Huizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palj, thanks. Slide # 14 is most interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: Sinomania!</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/07/19/the-2008-oil-shock/#comment-110431</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinomania!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE, I wonder how much of the increase in oil consumption that began after 1993 was just China alone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE, I wonder how much of the increase in oil consumption that began after 1993 was just China alone?</p>
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		<title>By: Pallj</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/07/19/the-2008-oil-shock/#comment-110419</link>
		<dc:creator>Pallj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/presentations/2008/oilprice0608/oilprice0608_files/frame.html

Interesting presentation.</description>
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<p>Interesting presentation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rien Huizer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/07/19/the-2008-oil-shock/#comment-110412</link>
		<dc:creator>Rien Huizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

Thanks, as said, many moving parts: certainly less near term available supply of crude of the right kind (and far too little refining capacity, and not enough product tankers, etc) but several million bpd (perhaps as much as Saudi now) locked up in well-explred areas in Iran and Iraq. Visited the peak oil site and have a strong snse of deja vue (been around for a long time. The truth is: nobody knows, but big areas have been unavailable for exploration (US especially), oil production in the middle east ouside  GCC declined for political reasons (war, de facto boycott Iran). Lots of current exporters are not nterested in icrasing production beyound current levels even if they can, etc
Then there is the option to turn NG (reatively plentiful) into variuos forms of synthetic liquids (succsfull plant in Bintulu Malaysia makes superclean fuels, technology now stable) and methanol. So there is a little bit to say about peak oil but it is inherently impossible to make accurate predictions. Nobody knows enough about long term oil/substitutes availability and demand response to higher prices .I think even a layman like myself could make a convincing case about peak oil being at least ten more years into the future based on the same data.. But, we know, thanks to graph 2 above)  at least that in the past, sharp increases in net oil exports share in world GDP have hardly pierced the noise floor in the GDP data, and have generally ben followed by equally fast declines. That makes oil look like a pretty normal good to me. Markets in the past had apparently better information than the many speculating theorists</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>Thanks, as said, many moving parts: certainly less near term available supply of crude of the right kind (and far too little refining capacity, and not enough product tankers, etc) but several million bpd (perhaps as much as Saudi now) locked up in well-explred areas in Iran and Iraq. Visited the peak oil site and have a strong snse of deja vue (been around for a long time. The truth is: nobody knows, but big areas have been unavailable for exploration (US especially), oil production in the middle east ouside  GCC declined for political reasons (war, de facto boycott Iran). Lots of current exporters are not nterested in icrasing production beyound current levels even if they can, etc<br />
Then there is the option to turn NG (reatively plentiful) into variuos forms of synthetic liquids (succsfull plant in Bintulu Malaysia makes superclean fuels, technology now stable) and methanol. So there is a little bit to say about peak oil but it is inherently impossible to make accurate predictions. Nobody knows enough about long term oil/substitutes availability and demand response to higher prices .I think even a layman like myself could make a convincing case about peak oil being at least ten more years into the future based on the same data.. But, we know, thanks to graph 2 above)  at least that in the past, sharp increases in net oil exports share in world GDP have hardly pierced the noise floor in the GDP data, and have generally ben followed by equally fast declines. That makes oil look like a pretty normal good to me. Markets in the past had apparently better information than the many speculating theorists</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Gifford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/07/19/the-2008-oil-shock/#comment-110410</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Gifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is different this time (from the 70&#039;s) is no new finds like Alaska and North Sea coming oline plus robust demand growth from oil producing countries while most of worldwide oil is coming from fields more than fifty years old now in production decline.  Meanwhile, new discoveries are not able to replace the declines from existing fields.  Furthermore, the world is awash in dollars.  Think of the current price decline as a short term correction.  Long term, we are headed for higher oil prices, much higher.  Somewhere I read that within five years, the amount of exportable oil worldwide will be less than fifty percent of its current level.  I suggest reading and understanding the ideas of L King Hubbard in regards to the depletion of oil fields/countries/world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is different this time (from the 70&#8217;s) is no new finds like Alaska and North Sea coming oline plus robust demand growth from oil producing countries while most of worldwide oil is coming from fields more than fifty years old now in production decline.  Meanwhile, new discoveries are not able to replace the declines from existing fields.  Furthermore, the world is awash in dollars.  Think of the current price decline as a short term correction.  Long term, we are headed for higher oil prices, much higher.  Somewhere I read that within five years, the amount of exportable oil worldwide will be less than fifty percent of its current level.  I suggest reading and understanding the ideas of L King Hubbard in regards to the depletion of oil fields/countries/world.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday links: bottoms away &#171; Abnormal Returns</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/07/19/the-2008-oil-shock/#comment-110407</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunday links: bottoms away &#171; Abnormal Returns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Dubai is rather frothy.&#8221;  The impact of the 2008 oil shock.  (Brad Setser) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stefan, Tallinn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/07/19/the-2008-oil-shock/#comment-110405</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan, Tallinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If oil producers reduced production by 1%, prices would probably rise 10% (ceteris paribus).

So why don&#039;t they do that?

Answer: Because it works only short-term. That is also why the graph of oil income in relation to GDP is interesting. It is VERY easy for it to rise SHORT-TERM, but very difficult/impossible long-term. Thus it will fall back.

A number of mechanisms will ensure that oil&#039;s relative value to other goods and services stays comparatively stable.</description>
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<p>So why don&#8217;t they do that?</p>
<p>Answer: Because it works only short-term. That is also why the graph of oil income in relation to GDP is interesting. It is VERY easy for it to rise SHORT-TERM, but very difficult/impossible long-term. Thus it will fall back.</p>
<p>A number of mechanisms will ensure that oil&#8217;s relative value to other goods and services stays comparatively stable.</p>
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