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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/08/20/good-news/#comment-111737</link>
		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bsetser: I think I can reasonably infer China is fighting pretty hard over these low stakes.

It&#039;s a matter of national prestige and power, much like votes in the UN Human Rights Council or student government elections.  It tells you how powerful and popular you are, but that&#039;s different from the report having any real impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bsetser: I think I can reasonably infer China is fighting pretty hard over these low stakes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a matter of national prestige and power, much like votes in the UN Human Rights Council or student government elections.  It tells you how powerful and popular you are, but that&#8217;s different from the report having any real impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Rien Huizer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/08/20/good-news/#comment-111712</link>
		<dc:creator>Rien Huizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the IMF is an orphan and looking for work. I like the idea of having a credible institution enforcing fiscal and monetary discipline on the world and would not mind even if that would require exchange rates to become negotiable between states, rather than the result of a form of commodity trading. Of course currency manipulation for mercantilist reasons should not be tolerated, even when allies practice it or if the victim does not mind. 

But it looks like the phenomenon of souvereign national states under democratic regimes is rather at odds with endowing any suprantional instution with credibility. Even the EU is struggling with this: opportunistic politicians (the only kind that survives) have the low cost option of blaming incumbents for being too generous to foreigners.

The case of the Chinese reports is interesting but there may be a range of explanations, not all indicating   rational (I mean the peculiar form or rationality that drives policy decisions there) strategic activity in an international arena. Increasingly, Chinese officials have to look at the domestic and international arenas in combination and that could be difficult, and in their set-up simply lead to non-action. Earlier remarks on policy space dynamics apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the IMF is an orphan and looking for work. I like the idea of having a credible institution enforcing fiscal and monetary discipline on the world and would not mind even if that would require exchange rates to become negotiable between states, rather than the result of a form of commodity trading. Of course currency manipulation for mercantilist reasons should not be tolerated, even when allies practice it or if the victim does not mind. </p>
<p>But it looks like the phenomenon of souvereign national states under democratic regimes is rather at odds with endowing any suprantional instution with credibility. Even the EU is struggling with this: opportunistic politicians (the only kind that survives) have the low cost option of blaming incumbents for being too generous to foreigners.</p>
<p>The case of the Chinese reports is interesting but there may be a range of explanations, not all indicating   rational (I mean the peculiar form or rationality that drives policy decisions there) strategic activity in an international arena. Increasingly, Chinese officials have to look at the domestic and international arenas in combination and that could be difficult, and in their set-up simply lead to non-action. Earlier remarks on policy space dynamics apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan von Altendorf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/08/20/good-news/#comment-111710</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan von Altendorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad wrote: &quot;China has for too long opted to subsidize jobs in the export sector (through its exchange rate regime) at the expense of jobs supplying the domestic market. That needs to change.&quot;

Why exactly? Routine household shopping on four continents during the past two years (shoes, clothing, toys, computers) all said Made In China. If they stop subsidizing jobs in the export sector, do we have to go barefoot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad wrote: &#8220;China has for too long opted to subsidize jobs in the export sector (through its exchange rate regime) at the expense of jobs supplying the domestic market. That needs to change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why exactly? Routine household shopping on four continents during the past two years (shoes, clothing, toys, computers) all said Made In China. If they stop subsidizing jobs in the export sector, do we have to go barefoot?</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/08/20/good-news/#comment-111709</link>
		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2fish -- so China&#039;s Executive Director at the IMF is free-lancing, acting in the way he expects China&#039;s government would want?   I kind  of agree with you to a degree; i don&#039;t think releasing an IMF report would be quite as big a deal as some think.   But if a report isn&#039;t released for 07 and there is a big board discussion over process and policy before the 08 report is discussed at the board, well, I think I can reasonably infer China is fighting pretty hard over these low stakes.

AJ -- I very much agree with your points.

Pseudorandom -- the IMF articles require that member countries subject themselves to annual assessment by the IMF.  They do not require that the report be published.  indeed, for a long time the norm was that these reports were not published.   Not the norm is that they are, but it isn&#039;t a requirement of membership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2fish &#8212; so China&#8217;s Executive Director at the IMF is free-lancing, acting in the way he expects China&#8217;s government would want?   I kind  of agree with you to a degree; i don&#8217;t think releasing an IMF report would be quite as big a deal as some think.   But if a report isn&#8217;t released for 07 and there is a big board discussion over process and policy before the 08 report is discussed at the board, well, I think I can reasonably infer China is fighting pretty hard over these low stakes.</p>
<p>AJ &#8212; I very much agree with your points.</p>
<p>Pseudorandom &#8212; the IMF articles require that member countries subject themselves to annual assessment by the IMF.  They do not require that the report be published.  indeed, for a long time the norm was that these reports were not published.   Not the norm is that they are, but it isn&#8217;t a requirement of membership.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/08/20/good-news/#comment-111708</link>
		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bsetser: If the IMF&#039;s reports don&#039;t matter, why has China refused to allow the IMF to release its assessment of China’s policies in 07, and why has the 08 report produced such controversy?

There is this quote attributed to Henry Kissinger that academic politics is so bitter because the stakes are so low.  I&#039;m sure the IMF&#039;s reports are important to people associated with the IMF, I just can&#039;t see why anyone outside should care about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bsetser: If the IMF&#8217;s reports don&#8217;t matter, why has China refused to allow the IMF to release its assessment of China’s policies in 07, and why has the 08 report produced such controversy?</p>
<p>There is this quote attributed to Henry Kissinger that academic politics is so bitter because the stakes are so low.  I&#8217;m sure the IMF&#8217;s reports are important to people associated with the IMF, I just can&#8217;t see why anyone outside should care about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Richman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/08/20/good-news/#comment-111706</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Richman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last the IMF is thinking that maybe it should enforce its own International Monetary Fund agreement which should prevent a country from manipulating its currency in order to enhance trade.  

Specifically, Article IV of the IMF Articles of Agreement requires that countries “avoid manipulating exchange rates or the international monetary system in order to prevent effective balance of payments adjustment or to gain an unfair competitive advantage over other members.”

If the IMF continues to ignore their own agreement, there is a strong possibility that the dollar will collapse throwing the entire international monetary system that it was designed to stabilize into incredible turmoil.

In our book &lt;I&gt;Trading Away Our Future&lt;/i&gt; ( www.idealtaxes.com ) we point out that if countries want to build reserves, they don&#039;t have to build up their stashes of foreign currencies, they could simply buy IMF credits. The IMF could then lend their money to the countries desperate for infrastructure such as Haiti. As far as the world is concerned, it would be much better if China&#039;s savings were loaned to the poorest countries of the world instead of to the richest.

Howard Richman
www.tradeandtaxes.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last the IMF is thinking that maybe it should enforce its own International Monetary Fund agreement which should prevent a country from manipulating its currency in order to enhance trade.  </p>
<p>Specifically, Article IV of the IMF Articles of Agreement requires that countries “avoid manipulating exchange rates or the international monetary system in order to prevent effective balance of payments adjustment or to gain an unfair competitive advantage over other members.”</p>
<p>If the IMF continues to ignore their own agreement, there is a strong possibility that the dollar will collapse throwing the entire international monetary system that it was designed to stabilize into incredible turmoil.</p>
<p>In our book <i>Trading Away Our Future</i> ( <a href="http://www.idealtaxes.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.idealtaxes.com</a> ) we point out that if countries want to build reserves, they don&#8217;t have to build up their stashes of foreign currencies, they could simply buy IMF credits. The IMF could then lend their money to the countries desperate for infrastructure such as Haiti. As far as the world is concerned, it would be much better if China&#8217;s savings were loaned to the poorest countries of the world instead of to the richest.</p>
<p>Howard Richman<br />
<a href="http://www.tradeandtaxes.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tradeandtaxes.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cedric Regula</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/08/20/good-news/#comment-111705</link>
		<dc:creator>Cedric Regula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a budding amateur economist, and generally believing in free markets and Milton Friedman, I think any moves to further prop up BW2 and Dollar Hegemony  would be a terrible mistake. The only comforting thing in my mind is that the IMF couldn&#039;t really pull it off. If they tried it would be a gold bug&#039;s (and oil bug&#039;s) dream come true. Also, I don&#039;t want to have to be a gold bug. They would just make it illegal eventually anyway.

The main reason in my opinion is Brad&#039;s comment:
&quot;Deficit countries need to depreciate against surplus countries, and that is hard so long as surplus countries peg to the currency of a big debtor.&quot;

Floating exchange rates are the final means of &quot;punishing&quot; a country when things go awry, and then forcing real changes in behavior and the structure of the economy. Or the flip side, floating rates moderate things like rampant speculation in markets and help limit too much capital investment by business. In theory at least they should be a stabilizing influence on local economies and markets.

Some think that Dollar Hegemony is a wonderful thing and has created economic miracles in the US but, as we are beginning to realize, the lack of necessary adjustment is increasing the chances of a catastrophic event.

But from a pragmatic standpoint, we have this big problem now, and how do you fix it without breaking things completely?

Dollar pegging has been a far too popular approach taken by Asian countries that adopt an export driven &quot;economic model&quot;. Not too hard to figure out why after you get past a layman&#039;s natural skepticism that  slowly wiping out your currency is the path to riches. It seems to work better for central banks and governments than working people (poor ones in Asia and unemployed ones in the US) and real investors.

But central banks can print their own currencies like crazy, and also recycle dollars back to the US in a concentrated way; all piled into two &quot;assets&quot;, treasuries or GSE paper. And if the GSE paper smells funny, looks like we are getting close to swapping it for treasuries. So we have BW2 and dollar pegging to thank for that the way I see it.

So maybe we need some sort of global cop to tell countries they aren&#039;t allowed to do that, but just typing this sentence makes me feel like I&#039;m wishing for some silly dream to come true.

Disclosure:

I&#039;m retired and would like a low risk investment that pays a little more than the inflation rate. I do NOT want a job. I WANT to be a capitalist !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a budding amateur economist, and generally believing in free markets and Milton Friedman, I think any moves to further prop up BW2 and Dollar Hegemony  would be a terrible mistake. The only comforting thing in my mind is that the IMF couldn&#8217;t really pull it off. If they tried it would be a gold bug&#8217;s (and oil bug&#8217;s) dream come true. Also, I don&#8217;t want to have to be a gold bug. They would just make it illegal eventually anyway.</p>
<p>The main reason in my opinion is Brad&#8217;s comment:<br />
&#8220;Deficit countries need to depreciate against surplus countries, and that is hard so long as surplus countries peg to the currency of a big debtor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Floating exchange rates are the final means of &#8220;punishing&#8221; a country when things go awry, and then forcing real changes in behavior and the structure of the economy. Or the flip side, floating rates moderate things like rampant speculation in markets and help limit too much capital investment by business. In theory at least they should be a stabilizing influence on local economies and markets.</p>
<p>Some think that Dollar Hegemony is a wonderful thing and has created economic miracles in the US but, as we are beginning to realize, the lack of necessary adjustment is increasing the chances of a catastrophic event.</p>
<p>But from a pragmatic standpoint, we have this big problem now, and how do you fix it without breaking things completely?</p>
<p>Dollar pegging has been a far too popular approach taken by Asian countries that adopt an export driven &#8220;economic model&#8221;. Not too hard to figure out why after you get past a layman&#8217;s natural skepticism that  slowly wiping out your currency is the path to riches. It seems to work better for central banks and governments than working people (poor ones in Asia and unemployed ones in the US) and real investors.</p>
<p>But central banks can print their own currencies like crazy, and also recycle dollars back to the US in a concentrated way; all piled into two &#8220;assets&#8221;, treasuries or GSE paper. And if the GSE paper smells funny, looks like we are getting close to swapping it for treasuries. So we have BW2 and dollar pegging to thank for that the way I see it.</p>
<p>So maybe we need some sort of global cop to tell countries they aren&#8217;t allowed to do that, but just typing this sentence makes me feel like I&#8217;m wishing for some silly dream to come true.</p>
<p>Disclosure:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m retired and would like a low risk investment that pays a little more than the inflation rate. I do NOT want a job. I WANT to be a capitalist !</p>
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		<title>By: pseudorandom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/08/20/good-news/#comment-111701</link>
		<dc:creator>pseudorandom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,
A basic question: why does the IMF need anyone&#039;s permission to publish a report?


--- I agree that the IMF’s influence is now much more limited, but i suspect an IMF report that indicated that China was undervalued in real terms would have an impact. China certainly seems to want to avoid the release of such a report.

(The Saudis have never allowed the IMF to release its assessment of Saudi policy) ---</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,<br />
A basic question: why does the IMF need anyone&#8217;s permission to publish a report?</p>
<p>&#8212; I agree that the IMF’s influence is now much more limited, but i suspect an IMF report that indicated that China was undervalued in real terms would have an impact. China certainly seems to want to avoid the release of such a report.</p>
<p>(The Saudis have never allowed the IMF to release its assessment of Saudi policy) &#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/08/20/good-news/#comment-111699</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s pretty amazing how little attention the supposed free trade forces have given currency manipulation. If China were making its export subsidies and import taxes explicit instead of the implicit ones they use now there would be a big reaction, one would think.  

But, it seems as though the currency peg may be even more distorting in terms of investment due to the second order policy adjustments required to keep it in effect. Yet, so far, nothing much has been said.

I&#039;d prefer not see wide spread threats of outright protectionism, but with the free trade advocates shredding their own credibility that seems to be the most likely option. The best case scenario may be for China&#039;s Asian neighbors to persuade them to begin adjusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty amazing how little attention the supposed free trade forces have given currency manipulation. If China were making its export subsidies and import taxes explicit instead of the implicit ones they use now there would be a big reaction, one would think.  </p>
<p>But, it seems as though the currency peg may be even more distorting in terms of investment due to the second order policy adjustments required to keep it in effect. Yet, so far, nothing much has been said.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer not see wide spread threats of outright protectionism, but with the free trade advocates shredding their own credibility that seems to be the most likely option. The best case scenario may be for China&#8217;s Asian neighbors to persuade them to begin adjusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/08/20/good-news/#comment-111698</link>
		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and in my view part of the reason why was policies in the emerging world that pushed up the the emerging world’s surplus and kept the US from paying a price for low savings and a big deficit&quot;. 

Yes, you are right, at least in part.

But I can´t help noticing the irony: from sole superpower to subprime borrower subjected to predatory lending in less than a decade. The barabrians are really at the gates... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and in my view part of the reason why was policies in the emerging world that pushed up the the emerging world’s surplus and kept the US from paying a price for low savings and a big deficit&#8221;. </p>
<p>Yes, you are right, at least in part.</p>
<p>But I can´t help noticing the irony: from sole superpower to subprime borrower subjected to predatory lending in less than a decade. The barabrians are really at the gates&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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