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		<title>By: What is Happening With China&#8217;s Economy? &#171; China Comment</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/07/so-true/#comment-113257</link>
		<dc:creator>What is Happening With China&#8217;s Economy? &#171; China Comment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] RMB Reevaluation and China&#8217;s Foreign Investments &#8220;From June 2007 to June 2008, the foreign assets of China’s central bank increased by $681b&#8221; (Setser). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] RMB Reevaluation and China&#8217;s Foreign Investments &#8220;From June 2007 to June 2008, the foreign assets of China’s central bank increased by $681b&#8221; (Setser). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Time &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In the magazine: Bailout Nation</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/07/so-true/#comment-113121</link>
		<dc:creator>Time &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In the magazine: Bailout Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] couple of links: The Brad Setser quote is from this excellent post on his excellent blog about global capital flows, Follow the Money. And the &#8220;three California [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] couple of links: The Brad Setser quote is from this excellent post on his excellent blog about global capital flows, Follow the Money. And the &#8220;three California [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Roland</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/07/so-true/#comment-112487</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What twofish forgets is that more than a third of Americans pay taxes but don&#039;t own their own homes.

So the poorest one-third subsidize wealthier people who took bad risks.

So both booms and downturns widen the gap between rich and poor, and smart entrepreneurship has nothing to do with it.  Rather, it seems to be deliberate policy to create and widen social gaps!

Marx and Lenin are just sounding wiser and wiser with every passing year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What twofish forgets is that more than a third of Americans pay taxes but don&#8217;t own their own homes.</p>
<p>So the poorest one-third subsidize wealthier people who took bad risks.</p>
<p>So both booms and downturns widen the gap between rich and poor, and smart entrepreneurship has nothing to do with it.  Rather, it seems to be deliberate policy to create and widen social gaps!</p>
<p>Marx and Lenin are just sounding wiser and wiser with every passing year.</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/07/so-true/#comment-112459</link>
		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, if only the foreign lenders could bully the U.S. into acting responsibly with its government debt. That would really be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, if only the foreign lenders could bully the U.S. into acting responsibly with its government debt. That would really be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/07/so-true/#comment-112388</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have plenty of views on that, but, well, i have spouted on and on about them to no avail, and have decided to stick to presenting the facts most of the time!&quot; 

Brad, would it be a pain asking you to summarize these very views? Or-less painfully-provide a couple of links where one could dig them up?

Thanks v much</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have plenty of views on that, but, well, i have spouted on and on about them to no avail, and have decided to stick to presenting the facts most of the time!&#8221; </p>
<p>Brad, would it be a pain asking you to summarize these very views? Or-less painfully-provide a couple of links where one could dig them up?</p>
<p>Thanks v much</p>
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		<title>By: Jian Feng</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/07/so-true/#comment-112384</link>
		<dc:creator>Jian Feng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Brad and Twofish,

Thanks for the information and comments. As might see, I have been following Burton Malkiel&#039;s book with my own investment, which relies on the long-term health of the US financial market. It is very unnerving to see United States practicing &quot;socialism&quot; to its financial system. Like it or not, a Darwinian system seems to be the only way to survive and prosper. Maybe the 21st century will see the coming of Karl Marx to New York and Adam Smith to Beijing.  

Professor Malkiel urgently needs to update his book on the efficiency of the market, so little guys like me who have a day job outside economics won&#039;t be sucked into any Black Tulip-styled games. 

Jian Feng</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Brad and Twofish,</p>
<p>Thanks for the information and comments. As might see, I have been following Burton Malkiel&#8217;s book with my own investment, which relies on the long-term health of the US financial market. It is very unnerving to see United States practicing &#8220;socialism&#8221; to its financial system. Like it or not, a Darwinian system seems to be the only way to survive and prosper. Maybe the 21st century will see the coming of Karl Marx to New York and Adam Smith to Beijing.  </p>
<p>Professor Malkiel urgently needs to update his book on the efficiency of the market, so little guys like me who have a day job outside economics won&#8217;t be sucked into any Black Tulip-styled games. </p>
<p>Jian Feng</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/07/so-true/#comment-112371</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qingdao,

I think even scenario number four is a relative term. 
US may only win relative to China. Chinas economy is gonna get hurt worse but ours is gonna get hurt.

Seems to me a very hollow victory.  &quot;Yeah we suck but you suck worse&quot;

Unfortunately this is where American culture has driven itself to. We take solace even in ugly victories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qingdao,</p>
<p>I think even scenario number four is a relative term.<br />
US may only win relative to China. Chinas economy is gonna get hurt worse but ours is gonna get hurt.</p>
<p>Seems to me a very hollow victory.  &#8220;Yeah we suck but you suck worse&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately this is where American culture has driven itself to. We take solace even in ugly victories.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/07/so-true/#comment-112359</link>
		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jian Feng: Is this housing bubble fundamentally different from the Black Tulip thing or the South Sea Treasure thing several hundred years ago?

No.  You don&#039;t even have to look back several hundred years.  There has been a financial crisis every few years ago for the past several hundred years.  There will probably some sort of crisis every few years for the next several hundred years.

Jian Feng: To avoid a mutually assured financial destruction, what will US and China do?

By very, very nice to each other.  Which isn&#039;t a bad thing.

Jian Feng: Will United States be prepared to issue visas to any willing Chinese buyers to purchase foreclosed houses in the US directly?

My guess is that there are going to be massive purchases of US companies and hard assets over the next few years.

Also, I don&#039;t think that people are talking about the really big problem which makes the housing situation seem like a tiny firecracker.  Around 2030, a lot of old people are going to start withdrawing their money from the US at the same time people get old in the US and Social Security and Medicare costs start becoming a major drain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jian Feng: Is this housing bubble fundamentally different from the Black Tulip thing or the South Sea Treasure thing several hundred years ago?</p>
<p>No.  You don&#8217;t even have to look back several hundred years.  There has been a financial crisis every few years ago for the past several hundred years.  There will probably some sort of crisis every few years for the next several hundred years.</p>
<p>Jian Feng: To avoid a mutually assured financial destruction, what will US and China do?</p>
<p>By very, very nice to each other.  Which isn&#8217;t a bad thing.</p>
<p>Jian Feng: Will United States be prepared to issue visas to any willing Chinese buyers to purchase foreclosed houses in the US directly?</p>
<p>My guess is that there are going to be massive purchases of US companies and hard assets over the next few years.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t think that people are talking about the really big problem which makes the housing situation seem like a tiny firecracker.  Around 2030, a lot of old people are going to start withdrawing their money from the US at the same time people get old in the US and Social Security and Medicare costs start becoming a major drain.</p>
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		<title>By: KnotRP</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/07/so-true/#comment-112355</link>
		<dc:creator>KnotRP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pseudorandom: you believe the rich will not move assets out of reach, after the historically low taxation rates cease? Taxing the wealthy and corporations is like herding cats, imho...and  the big rise in earnings at the top happened already...or were you advocating retroactive taxation of the rich?

I think we may get the worst of all possible worlds, where many home owners lose their homes, after which the homes nominally appreciate while on the bank&#039;s ledger.
But real wages will still go no where, since
the 2 billion laborers are not yet integrated
into the global system....

My guess is that protectionism kicks in eventually, when the political pain becomes
overwhelming....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pseudorandom: you believe the rich will not move assets out of reach, after the historically low taxation rates cease? Taxing the wealthy and corporations is like herding cats, imho&#8230;and  the big rise in earnings at the top happened already&#8230;or were you advocating retroactive taxation of the rich?</p>
<p>I think we may get the worst of all possible worlds, where many home owners lose their homes, after which the homes nominally appreciate while on the bank&#8217;s ledger.<br />
But real wages will still go no where, since<br />
the 2 billion laborers are not yet integrated<br />
into the global system&#8230;.</p>
<p>My guess is that protectionism kicks in eventually, when the political pain becomes<br />
overwhelming&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cedric Regula</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/07/so-true/#comment-112353</link>
		<dc:creator>Cedric Regula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2fish:
Aw c&#039;mon now, why would anyone do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2fish:<br />
Aw c&#8217;mon now, why would anyone do that?</p>
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