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		<title>By: Blissex</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/21/were-the-agencies-responsible-for-the-current-crisis/#comment-113297</link>
		<dc:creator>Blissex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>«&lt;i&gt;the Federal Reserve Bank is about the be the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund.&lt;/i&gt;»

It is already the world&#039;s largest off-balance-sheet SIV, together with the GSEs, and it is the greater-fool-of-last-resort.

But the Paulson-Bernanke-Bush plan is to add the treasury to the count, not the fed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>«<i>the Federal Reserve Bank is about the be the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund.</i>»</p>
<p>It is already the world&#8217;s largest off-balance-sheet SIV, together with the GSEs, and it is the greater-fool-of-last-resort.</p>
<p>But the Paulson-Bernanke-Bush plan is to add the treasury to the count, not the fed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rien Huizer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/21/were-the-agencies-responsible-for-the-current-crisis/#comment-113271</link>
		<dc:creator>Rien Huizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to be  topic provoking comments at the extremes of the profound/goofy spectrum. A joy to behold!

A few observations: no one seems to worry about the complete lack of wealth management expertise at US gvt level (this in contrast to little Singapore, where aspiring politician/official/manager types get exposed to the responsibility of looking after the nation&#039;s wealth). Listened to Stiglitz on the BBC just a few minutes ago and he said, uncharacteristically politely, that information asymmetry makes solving the crisis very difficult. In my book, there is lots of money to be made off the government (I would caution against equating government and taxpayers in the US, seems that the taxpayers contribution is becoming more and more theoretical). Apart from the asymmetry Stiglitz seemed to imply (between private sellers of impaired assets and the sole gvt buyer) there is another information asymmetry: only the US gvt knows how much seignorage it is aiming for (if there is any kind of management in this at all) and only the creditors (eg Laobaixing Inc) know where they will suicidically call it quits. We are moving from a contest between many more or less independent and pretty chaotic private capitalist actors against a handful of state capitalists (the situation where the US exports mainly private financial assets and domestic leveraged asset ownership is mainly funded by private liabilities) to one where a giant debt ridden state capitalist (possibly captured by a tiny minority of the business community), who happens to have the power of seignorage, faces the same handful of foreign state capitalists. What will happen? Will anything constructive come out of this? Will the US gvt invest in skills to protect/manage state capital? Or just a burst of inflation (plus international instability to boost the external value of the USD for a while) followed by sloppy privatization of the newly acquired assets. Those who remember the S&amp;L crisis and have cash may already be licking their lips.

However, there are quite a few smaller scale winners and losers in this too: the little guys needing a small subrime loan to get a roof over their head on the one end and the professional type with just enough fat to survive the winter and then benefit from high inflation low interest during on the next hole.

I dislike comments connecting Mr Paulson&#039;s employment past to his role in this crisis, no one deserves to be accused of inappropriate behaviour without even a hint of factual evidence. However, it is a pity that people with that kind of a background seem to be the only ones passing through the selection filters. Someone should take a look at requirements for senior office in the US. You would not appoint a non-lawyer to a Supreme Court but also not a wealthy legal entrepreneur in the litigation business. The Treasury has a very complex mandate and perhaps that should be changed. Financial regulation of a capitalist system (i.e. the one that was just buried in the US but flourishes elsewhere) should be in the hands of non-partisan or balanced management teams appointed for lengthy periods and completely independent under a stable mandate. More or less like central bankers and judges. Everyone with even a little intuitive familiarity with  supervising people, managing options with very short remaining terms, out of the money and under severely leptocurtic conditions, will know what this is all about. When it is also close to bonus time, it becomes even more interesting..

I think that the hand being dealt to the incoming administration is becoming increasingly unattractive. Those who wanted to Kill the Beast (the Beast being spending and taxing for bad, non-discretionary things like welfare and healthcare, thus removing space for tax cuts or more deserving and variable forms of spending) seem to have called in a nuclear strike just before the end of the quarter. But, it will not work. The Beast happens to be democratic and has nuclear weapons of its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to be  topic provoking comments at the extremes of the profound/goofy spectrum. A joy to behold!</p>
<p>A few observations: no one seems to worry about the complete lack of wealth management expertise at US gvt level (this in contrast to little Singapore, where aspiring politician/official/manager types get exposed to the responsibility of looking after the nation&#8217;s wealth). Listened to Stiglitz on the BBC just a few minutes ago and he said, uncharacteristically politely, that information asymmetry makes solving the crisis very difficult. In my book, there is lots of money to be made off the government (I would caution against equating government and taxpayers in the US, seems that the taxpayers contribution is becoming more and more theoretical). Apart from the asymmetry Stiglitz seemed to imply (between private sellers of impaired assets and the sole gvt buyer) there is another information asymmetry: only the US gvt knows how much seignorage it is aiming for (if there is any kind of management in this at all) and only the creditors (eg Laobaixing Inc) know where they will suicidically call it quits. We are moving from a contest between many more or less independent and pretty chaotic private capitalist actors against a handful of state capitalists (the situation where the US exports mainly private financial assets and domestic leveraged asset ownership is mainly funded by private liabilities) to one where a giant debt ridden state capitalist (possibly captured by a tiny minority of the business community), who happens to have the power of seignorage, faces the same handful of foreign state capitalists. What will happen? Will anything constructive come out of this? Will the US gvt invest in skills to protect/manage state capital? Or just a burst of inflation (plus international instability to boost the external value of the USD for a while) followed by sloppy privatization of the newly acquired assets. Those who remember the S&amp;L crisis and have cash may already be licking their lips.</p>
<p>However, there are quite a few smaller scale winners and losers in this too: the little guys needing a small subrime loan to get a roof over their head on the one end and the professional type with just enough fat to survive the winter and then benefit from high inflation low interest during on the next hole.</p>
<p>I dislike comments connecting Mr Paulson&#8217;s employment past to his role in this crisis, no one deserves to be accused of inappropriate behaviour without even a hint of factual evidence. However, it is a pity that people with that kind of a background seem to be the only ones passing through the selection filters. Someone should take a look at requirements for senior office in the US. You would not appoint a non-lawyer to a Supreme Court but also not a wealthy legal entrepreneur in the litigation business. The Treasury has a very complex mandate and perhaps that should be changed. Financial regulation of a capitalist system (i.e. the one that was just buried in the US but flourishes elsewhere) should be in the hands of non-partisan or balanced management teams appointed for lengthy periods and completely independent under a stable mandate. More or less like central bankers and judges. Everyone with even a little intuitive familiarity with  supervising people, managing options with very short remaining terms, out of the money and under severely leptocurtic conditions, will know what this is all about. When it is also close to bonus time, it becomes even more interesting..</p>
<p>I think that the hand being dealt to the incoming administration is becoming increasingly unattractive. Those who wanted to Kill the Beast (the Beast being spending and taxing for bad, non-discretionary things like welfare and healthcare, thus removing space for tax cuts or more deserving and variable forms of spending) seem to have called in a nuclear strike just before the end of the quarter. But, it will not work. The Beast happens to be democratic and has nuclear weapons of its own.</p>
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		<title>By: wzh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/21/were-the-agencies-responsible-for-the-current-crisis/#comment-113263</link>
		<dc:creator>wzh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the Congress should require Paulson to committee 50% of his personal asset into the $700B pool, in exchange for the power he wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the Congress should require Paulson to committee 50% of his personal asset into the $700B pool, in exchange for the power he wants.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jehu: I am not an expert here, so I probably am missing something.

You put a few dozen dollars a week in the hands of the poor and working class, and then several tens of thousand a week in the hands of the rich.

I don&#039;t think that is a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jehu: I am not an expert here, so I probably am missing something.</p>
<p>You put a few dozen dollars a week in the hands of the poor and working class, and then several tens of thousand a week in the hands of the rich.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that is a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/21/were-the-agencies-responsible-for-the-current-crisis/#comment-113245</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever fiat currency in world history has ended up at toast. That includes the Roman Empire and Dynastic China. The US Dollar will be no different. There is absolutely a complete lack of discipline in Washington DC to control spending. The multi-trillion taxpayer bailout of Wall Street banks will rapidly erode what&#039;s left of the US Dollar&#039;s monetary value. Hank Paulson has absolutely no personal shame. Congratulations Paulson and Bernanke for wrecking what&#039;s left of the US bubble economy. LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever fiat currency in world history has ended up at toast. That includes the Roman Empire and Dynastic China. The US Dollar will be no different. There is absolutely a complete lack of discipline in Washington DC to control spending. The multi-trillion taxpayer bailout of Wall Street banks will rapidly erode what&#8217;s left of the US Dollar&#8217;s monetary value. Hank Paulson has absolutely no personal shame. Congratulations Paulson and Bernanke for wrecking what&#8217;s left of the US bubble economy. LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Jehu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jehu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since, at root, this crisis appears to begin with the average Joe consumer, who is tapped out, why not just deliver the 700Bn in the form of across the board 20 percent tax rate reductions.

Seems to me, that would immediately put 50-75 dollars a week in pockets of every family, and go a long way toward reversing stagnant incomes people have suffered for several years.

Meanwhile, let the credit markets sort themselves out.

What good does it do to bailout the credit markets, when the consumer can&#039;t afford to take on more debt.

I am not an expert here, so I probably am missing something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since, at root, this crisis appears to begin with the average Joe consumer, who is tapped out, why not just deliver the 700Bn in the form of across the board 20 percent tax rate reductions.</p>
<p>Seems to me, that would immediately put 50-75 dollars a week in pockets of every family, and go a long way toward reversing stagnant incomes people have suffered for several years.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, let the credit markets sort themselves out.</p>
<p>What good does it do to bailout the credit markets, when the consumer can&#8217;t afford to take on more debt.</p>
<p>I am not an expert here, so I probably am missing something.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/09/21/were-the-agencies-responsible-for-the-current-crisis/#comment-113243</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those interested: 
 
Futures have opened sharply lower. Dow -217, S&amp;P -32, NDQ -46. (As of 7:19 PM, Sept 21st)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/17689937
 
Looks like the Paulson &#039;short squeeze&#039; lasted a day and a half.

I bought some more Gold over the weekend. The fiat US dollar is toast. It&#039;s only a matter of time. LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested: </p>
<p>Futures have opened sharply lower. Dow -217, S&amp;P -32, NDQ -46. (As of 7:19 PM, Sept 21st)<br />
<a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/17689937" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnbc.com/id/17689937</a></p>
<p>Looks like the Paulson &#8217;short squeeze&#8217; lasted a day and a half.</p>
<p>I bought some more Gold over the weekend. The fiat US dollar is toast. It&#8217;s only a matter of time. LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal: You don’t think that Wall Street will “share the profits” with the taxpayer, do you? 

People on Wall Street are sharks that will do anything to make an extra buck, and the system only really works when you have the sharks fighting each other, and if you do your own research to figure out what is going on and push back if necessary.

But you have to be careful.

Chris: the resulting trillion dollar loses are being dumped onto the innocent US taxpayer.

Actually a lot of the taxpayers are rather guilty.  One thing that is really slippery about Wall Street types is that if you want to catch them you really need to be careful.  My guess is that a lot of executives have left the burning building and are now posing as &quot;innocent taxpayers.&quot;

Also, I&#039;m actually not that concerned about Paulson leading the bailout.  It takes a thief to catch a thief, and someone with less experience and more sincerity is likely to get totally outmatched.  The thing about Paulson is that he knows most of the tricks, and so you just need to adjust the incentives so that he does the right things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal: You don’t think that Wall Street will “share the profits” with the taxpayer, do you? </p>
<p>People on Wall Street are sharks that will do anything to make an extra buck, and the system only really works when you have the sharks fighting each other, and if you do your own research to figure out what is going on and push back if necessary.</p>
<p>But you have to be careful.</p>
<p>Chris: the resulting trillion dollar loses are being dumped onto the innocent US taxpayer.</p>
<p>Actually a lot of the taxpayers are rather guilty.  One thing that is really slippery about Wall Street types is that if you want to catch them you really need to be careful.  My guess is that a lot of executives have left the burning building and are now posing as &#8220;innocent taxpayers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m actually not that concerned about Paulson leading the bailout.  It takes a thief to catch a thief, and someone with less experience and more sincerity is likely to get totally outmatched.  The thing about Paulson is that he knows most of the tricks, and so you just need to adjust the incentives so that he does the right things.</p>
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		<title>By: shampoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>shampoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I will not wait on events, while dangers gather,&quot; Bush told Congress.  &quot;I will not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer.  The United States of America will not permit the world&#039;s most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world&#039;s most destructive weapons.&quot;  2002 State of the Union Address

next speech I say:
...The United States of America will not permit the world&#039;s most dangerous financial instruments to threaten us with the world&#039;s next Great Depression.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I will not wait on events, while dangers gather,&#8221; Bush told Congress.  &#8220;I will not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer.  The United States of America will not permit the world&#8217;s most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world&#8217;s most destructive weapons.&#8221;  2002 State of the Union Address</p>
<p>next speech I say:<br />
&#8230;The United States of America will not permit the world&#8217;s most dangerous financial instruments to threaten us with the world&#8217;s next Great Depression.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been watching with dismay, over the last several years, the developments in USA economy and her financial system. The financial and banking elite led by the Wall Street created an enormous credit bubble which eventually encompassed the whole world. These people were selling worthless paper all over the world extracting huge, hundreds of billions of dollars worth of fees in the process. Now when the whole Ponzi scheme was exposed and the paper that the Wall Street sold turned out to be nothing but the worthless toxic waste, the resulting trillion dollar loses are being dumped onto the innocent US taxpayer.  
This is socialization of loses and privatization of profits at its worst. When will the looting of the taxpayer end? This is the greatest transfer of wealth from the Main Street to the Walls Street in US history and it MUST be stopped. Giving absolute power and mandate to deal with the crisis to Mr. Paulson, unelected official, the man who while working at Goldman Sachs, was the chief architect of the Wall Street generated Ponzi scheme that is underming the world financial system is beyond comprehension. To add salt to injury, the people who looted the entire world are not only allowed to keep the spoils of their crime, but are also rewarded with the job of running the new program. How many more trillions of dollars are they going to steal from the taxpayer? By voting for this heinous bill you give Wall Street green light to embark on the next round of looting, and another one, ad infinitum. This is an ultimate moral hazard. Where will it stop? When US Treasury is completely bankrupt? NO BAIL OUT FOR GAMBLERS AND FRAUDSTERS. By voting for this legislation you will mortgage not only future of your children, but the children of their children. Although I can?t participate in November 4th elections I can vote with my valet. I will, if this bill is adopted, lose confidence in your legislative, governmental and financial systems, and I will liquidate all my holdings of US treasuries and convert the proceeds into Canadian dollars. 

slightly edited by brad setser for tone (last sentence deleted; i do not like all caps)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been watching with dismay, over the last several years, the developments in USA economy and her financial system. The financial and banking elite led by the Wall Street created an enormous credit bubble which eventually encompassed the whole world. These people were selling worthless paper all over the world extracting huge, hundreds of billions of dollars worth of fees in the process. Now when the whole Ponzi scheme was exposed and the paper that the Wall Street sold turned out to be nothing but the worthless toxic waste, the resulting trillion dollar loses are being dumped onto the innocent US taxpayer.<br />
This is socialization of loses and privatization of profits at its worst. When will the looting of the taxpayer end? This is the greatest transfer of wealth from the Main Street to the Walls Street in US history and it MUST be stopped. Giving absolute power and mandate to deal with the crisis to Mr. Paulson, unelected official, the man who while working at Goldman Sachs, was the chief architect of the Wall Street generated Ponzi scheme that is underming the world financial system is beyond comprehension. To add salt to injury, the people who looted the entire world are not only allowed to keep the spoils of their crime, but are also rewarded with the job of running the new program. How many more trillions of dollars are they going to steal from the taxpayer? By voting for this heinous bill you give Wall Street green light to embark on the next round of looting, and another one, ad infinitum. This is an ultimate moral hazard. Where will it stop? When US Treasury is completely bankrupt? NO BAIL OUT FOR GAMBLERS AND FRAUDSTERS. By voting for this legislation you will mortgage not only future of your children, but the children of their children. Although I can?t participate in November 4th elections I can vote with my valet. I will, if this bill is adopted, lose confidence in your legislative, governmental and financial systems, and I will liquidate all my holdings of US treasuries and convert the proceeds into Canadian dollars. </p>
<p>slightly edited by brad setser for tone (last sentence deleted; i do not like all caps)</p>
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