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		<title>By: Seattle Peak Oil Awareness &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Don&#8217;t Buy the Deflation Hype</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/05/peak-petrodollars/#comment-115044</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle Peak Oil Awareness &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Don&#8217;t Buy the Deflation Hype</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been following Brad Setser for a little while now. Check out a recent post of his, &#8220;Peak Petrodollars&#8220;. Of oil exporting nations, he says: Oil prices are no longer rising faster than domestic [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been following Brad Setser for a little while now. Check out a recent post of his, &#8220;Peak Petrodollars&#8220;. Of oil exporting nations, he says: Oil prices are no longer rising faster than domestic [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RealThink</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/05/peak-petrodollars/#comment-114687</link>
		<dc:creator>RealThink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I remind you all that on Nov 12 the IEA will release the results of a study assessing the depletion status of the world&#039;s top 400 oil fields, which was announced &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=ay9L32ADViQc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121139527250011387.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/05/22/oil.supplies.ap/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I remind you all that on Nov 12 the IEA will release the results of a study assessing the depletion status of the world&#8217;s top 400 oil fields, which was announced <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=ay9L32ADViQc" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121139527250011387.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/05/22/oil.supplies.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: cpugh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/05/peak-petrodollars/#comment-114653</link>
		<dc:creator>cpugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean no more rotating buildings, and islands in the shape of palm trees and  islands in the shape of arabic poems???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean no more rotating buildings, and islands in the shape of palm trees and  islands in the shape of arabic poems???</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/05/peak-petrodollars/#comment-114617</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the world concerned about America defaulting on its obligations?  I would be more concerned about America deciding that after all these years of securing the world&#039;s oil supplies and permitting the Gulf States, the Saudi princes, Iraq, etc to profit from oil fields developed by the British and Americans, that they subsequently &quot;nationalized&quot; that we unilaterally decide retake our vested property interests in the region.  

The rest of the world would have to sit back and watch as we took back what was ours and sold the proceeds at an inflated price to the rest of the world.  Just stopping the outflow of $700 Billion/yr for US oil imports would repay the entire official US debt within 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the world concerned about America defaulting on its obligations?  I would be more concerned about America deciding that after all these years of securing the world&#8217;s oil supplies and permitting the Gulf States, the Saudi princes, Iraq, etc to profit from oil fields developed by the British and Americans, that they subsequently &#8220;nationalized&#8221; that we unilaterally decide retake our vested property interests in the region.  </p>
<p>The rest of the world would have to sit back and watch as we took back what was ours and sold the proceeds at an inflated price to the rest of the world.  Just stopping the outflow of $700 Billion/yr for US oil imports would repay the entire official US debt within 20 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/05/peak-petrodollars/#comment-114604</link>
		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJC: Chinese and other Asian investors — governments, banks, firms and individuals — will be reluctant to finance the Treasury bailout plan without higher interest rates as a sweetener.

In the short term (i.e. today and tomorrow) this isn&#039;t true, since there is a flight to short term US treasuries as the world financial system crumbles.

In the immediate to long term, it&#039;s really hard to figure out what the currency dynamics will be since we have really only a vague idea of what the new financial order will look like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJC: Chinese and other Asian investors — governments, banks, firms and individuals — will be reluctant to finance the Treasury bailout plan without higher interest rates as a sweetener.</p>
<p>In the short term (i.e. today and tomorrow) this isn&#8217;t true, since there is a flight to short term US treasuries as the world financial system crumbles.</p>
<p>In the immediate to long term, it&#8217;s really hard to figure out what the currency dynamics will be since we have really only a vague idea of what the new financial order will look like.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/05/peak-petrodollars/#comment-114597</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trouble with Dubai mortgage lenders:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/93373ed4-92b0-11dd-98b5-0000779fd18c.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trouble with Dubai mortgage lenders:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/93373ed4-92b0-11dd-98b5-0000779fd18c.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/93373ed4-92b0-11dd-98b5-0000779fd18c.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: DJC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/05/peak-petrodollars/#comment-114581</link>
		<dc:creator>DJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US Interest Rates Absurdly Low 
http://www.usatoday.com/money/econom...-bailout_N.htm 
 
Chinese and other Asian investors — governments, banks, firms and individuals — will be reluctant to finance the Treasury bailout plan without higher interest rates as a sweetener. For now, Europe&#039;s top-rated bonds look like a better bargain: &quot;U.S. bill and bond yields will have to go up to attract Asian buyers,&quot; Lo says. He sees yields on the benchmark 10-year Treasury bond rising to 4.3% from less than 3.7% now.  
 
&quot;Whatever the U.S. is trying to issue would have to be relatively more attractive than what the rest of the world is offering,&quot; agrees Joanne Hon, head of Asia research for Thomson Reuters. And a Thomson Reuters survey of 100 market analysts in August — before Wall Street melted down and Treasury announced its rescue plan — was already predicting that 10-year Treasury yields would rise to 4.5% over the next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US Interest Rates Absurdly Low<br />
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/money/econom...-bailout_N.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/money/econom&#8230;-bailout_N.htm</a> </p>
<p>Chinese and other Asian investors — governments, banks, firms and individuals — will be reluctant to finance the Treasury bailout plan without higher interest rates as a sweetener. For now, Europe&#8217;s top-rated bonds look like a better bargain: &#8220;U.S. bill and bond yields will have to go up to attract Asian buyers,&#8221; Lo says. He sees yields on the benchmark 10-year Treasury bond rising to 4.3% from less than 3.7% now.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Whatever the U.S. is trying to issue would have to be relatively more attractive than what the rest of the world is offering,&#8221; agrees Joanne Hon, head of Asia research for Thomson Reuters. And a Thomson Reuters survey of 100 market analysts in August — before Wall Street melted down and Treasury announced its rescue plan — was already predicting that 10-year Treasury yields would rise to 4.5% over the next year.</p>
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		<title>By: DJC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/05/peak-petrodollars/#comment-114580</link>
		<dc:creator>DJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Businessweek Wishful thinking... LOL.

http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/08_41/b4103032192140.htm

Shared Sacrifice Will Ease the Credit Crunch. Foreign lenders will have to take a haircut while American consumers spend less and taxpayers take a hit 
 
by Michael Mandel 
 
Is the U.S. heading for another Great Depression? Probably not—but we are about to go through a period future generations may call the Great Repudiation. 
 
The root cause of today&#039;s crisis lies not in the housing market but in America&#039;s foreign debt. Over the past four years the U.S. private sector has borrowed an astonishing $3 trillion from the rest of the world. The money, directly and indirectly, came from countries such as China, Germany, Japan, and Saudi Arabia, which ran huge trade surpluses with America. Foreign investors trusted their funds to U.S. financial institutions, which used much of the money for mortgage loans. 
 
But American families took on a lot more debt than they could comfortably afford. Now no one is sure how much of that towering sum the U.S. is going to pay back—and all the uncertainty is roiling the financial markets. 
 
The Washington bailout debate boils down to this question: Who is going to bear the burden of the $3 trillion mistake? Will low- and middle-income borrowers have to cut back on spending to pay their mortgage bills? Will taxpayers have to chip in big bucks to pay for defaults on those debts? Or will Washington act in a way that imposes large losses on foreign investors—in effect, repudiating some of the debt? The best outcome is shared sacrifice among borrowers, taxpayers, and foreign investors—but that result may be politically difficult to achieve. 
 
FINDING A FAIR PLAN 
 
Since mid-2004, American households have taken on a bit more than $3 trillion in mortgage debt. The official statistics are very fuzzy, but it looks like at least one-third of the debt, and perhaps half, was financed with foreign money. As a result, foreign investors are sitting on an enormous mountain of mortgage-related securities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Businessweek Wishful thinking&#8230; LOL.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/08_41/b4103032192140.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/08_41/b4103032192140.htm</a></p>
<p>Shared Sacrifice Will Ease the Credit Crunch. Foreign lenders will have to take a haircut while American consumers spend less and taxpayers take a hit </p>
<p>by Michael Mandel </p>
<p>Is the U.S. heading for another Great Depression? Probably not—but we are about to go through a period future generations may call the Great Repudiation. </p>
<p>The root cause of today&#8217;s crisis lies not in the housing market but in America&#8217;s foreign debt. Over the past four years the U.S. private sector has borrowed an astonishing $3 trillion from the rest of the world. The money, directly and indirectly, came from countries such as China, Germany, Japan, and Saudi Arabia, which ran huge trade surpluses with America. Foreign investors trusted their funds to U.S. financial institutions, which used much of the money for mortgage loans. </p>
<p>But American families took on a lot more debt than they could comfortably afford. Now no one is sure how much of that towering sum the U.S. is going to pay back—and all the uncertainty is roiling the financial markets. </p>
<p>The Washington bailout debate boils down to this question: Who is going to bear the burden of the $3 trillion mistake? Will low- and middle-income borrowers have to cut back on spending to pay their mortgage bills? Will taxpayers have to chip in big bucks to pay for defaults on those debts? Or will Washington act in a way that imposes large losses on foreign investors—in effect, repudiating some of the debt? The best outcome is shared sacrifice among borrowers, taxpayers, and foreign investors—but that result may be politically difficult to achieve. </p>
<p>FINDING A FAIR PLAN </p>
<p>Since mid-2004, American households have taken on a bit more than $3 trillion in mortgage debt. The official statistics are very fuzzy, but it looks like at least one-third of the debt, and perhaps half, was financed with foreign money. As a result, foreign investors are sitting on an enormous mountain of mortgage-related securities.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/05/peak-petrodollars/#comment-114577</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer the question about Rogers and the Swiss Franc:

from: http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/09/06/jim-rogers-book/


(Q): Is there a specific signal that this is &quot;over?&quot;

Rogers: Sure…when our entire U.S. cabinet has Swiss bank accounts.  Linked inside bank accounts.  When that happens, we’ll know we’re getting close because they’ll do it even after it’s illegal - after America’s put in the exchange controls.

(Q): They’ll move their own money.

Rogers: Yeah, because you look at people like the Israelis and the Argentineans and people who have had exchange controls - the politicians usually figured it out and have taken care of themselves on the side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer the question about Rogers and the Swiss Franc:</p>
<p>from: <a href="http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/09/06/jim-rogers-book/" rel="nofollow">http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/09/06/jim-rogers-book/</a></p>
<p>(Q): Is there a specific signal that this is &#8220;over?&#8221;</p>
<p>Rogers: Sure…when our entire U.S. cabinet has Swiss bank accounts.  Linked inside bank accounts.  When that happens, we’ll know we’re getting close because they’ll do it even after it’s illegal &#8211; after America’s put in the exchange controls.</p>
<p>(Q): They’ll move their own money.</p>
<p>Rogers: Yeah, because you look at people like the Israelis and the Argentineans and people who have had exchange controls &#8211; the politicians usually figured it out and have taken care of themselves on the side.</p>
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		<title>By: manch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/05/peak-petrodollars/#comment-114573</link>
		<dc:creator>manch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Rogers has been buying Japanese yen and Swiss franc for over a year now. I understand the yen part (unwinding of the carry trade), but not the franc. Anyone has a reason why swiss franc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Rogers has been buying Japanese yen and Swiss franc for over a year now. I understand the yen part (unwinding of the carry trade), but not the franc. Anyone has a reason why swiss franc?</p>
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