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		<title>By: gillies</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/08/it-was-a-wild-day-in-the-foreign-exchange-market/#comment-114830</link>
		<dc:creator>gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, that story about nigerian investors being warned that the irish banks are a scam and to avoid them - is only a joke.  but ireland is an open economy and an integrated part of the global financial system, which is also a joke.  irish bank vaults contain more than their fair share of a toxic chocolate fudge called &#039;negative equity&#039; and as soon as we know who is going to swallow it we will let you know . . .

but here is a bigger joke.  at the moment, sanctions seem to be protecting the iranian economy from the worst of the contagion.  how perfect can a perfect storm get ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, that story about nigerian investors being warned that the irish banks are a scam and to avoid them &#8211; is only a joke.  but ireland is an open economy and an integrated part of the global financial system, which is also a joke.  irish bank vaults contain more than their fair share of a toxic chocolate fudge called &#8216;negative equity&#8217; and as soon as we know who is going to swallow it we will let you know . . .</p>
<p>but here is a bigger joke.  at the moment, sanctions seem to be protecting the iranian economy from the worst of the contagion.  how perfect can a perfect storm get ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rien Huizer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rien Huizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twofish, 

You probably refer to Cedric&#039;s response to my remarks on bank nationalization.

Absorbing losses: in my ideal bank nationalization shareholders and subordinated creditors are wiped out. That would take case of a fair bit of losses. Furthermore, nationalized banks would benefit from low funding costs and would not innovate or conduct expensive marketing. They would be utilities. Of course that would hurt development if it would take too long but I do not believe that the past ten years of private sector finance (I know the industry pretty well) have been entirely constructive either. Nationalization is the most advantageous of the current repertoire from a taxpayer&#039;s perspective, if one assumes that both the cost of a major recession and a continued state of moral hazard are politically unacceptable. In an Arrow-Debreu world one would let banks go belly up of course. But then again such a world does not exist. And, in such a world ranks etc would be redundant..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twofish, </p>
<p>You probably refer to Cedric&#8217;s response to my remarks on bank nationalization.</p>
<p>Absorbing losses: in my ideal bank nationalization shareholders and subordinated creditors are wiped out. That would take case of a fair bit of losses. Furthermore, nationalized banks would benefit from low funding costs and would not innovate or conduct expensive marketing. They would be utilities. Of course that would hurt development if it would take too long but I do not believe that the past ten years of private sector finance (I know the industry pretty well) have been entirely constructive either. Nationalization is the most advantageous of the current repertoire from a taxpayer&#8217;s perspective, if one assumes that both the cost of a major recession and a continued state of moral hazard are politically unacceptable. In an Arrow-Debreu world one would let banks go belly up of course. But then again such a world does not exist. And, in such a world ranks etc would be redundant..</p>
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		<title>By: el presidente</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/08/it-was-a-wild-day-in-the-foreign-exchange-market/#comment-114814</link>
		<dc:creator>el presidente</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling Carl Weinberg an &quot;economist&quot; is a bit of a stretch.

The system isn&#039;t structurally insolvent.  Many institutions are insolvent by GAAP if they mark to market now.  If we let the market correction in RRE complete, markets will clear and we&#039;ll know who&#039;s really underwater on a hold-to-maturity basis.

That said, I wouldn&#039;t buy any banking stocks right now, although that&#039;s as much fear of dilution-by-Treasury-fiat as anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling Carl Weinberg an &#8220;economist&#8221; is a bit of a stretch.</p>
<p>The system isn&#8217;t structurally insolvent.  Many institutions are insolvent by GAAP if they mark to market now.  If we let the market correction in RRE complete, markets will clear and we&#8217;ll know who&#8217;s really underwater on a hold-to-maturity basis.</p>
<p>That said, I wouldn&#8217;t buy any banking stocks right now, although that&#8217;s as much fear of dilution-by-Treasury-fiat as anything.</p>
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		<title>By: bsetser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsetser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vlad and Christian Bojleson -- thanks for your comments.   I think I understand what happened now -- some companies where selling insurance v big moves in the $/ real to offset the cost of their basic hedge v real appreciation and got burned.   i enormously appreciate these comments; they really help me understand what is going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vlad and Christian Bojleson &#8212; thanks for your comments.   I think I understand what happened now &#8212; some companies where selling insurance v big moves in the $/ real to offset the cost of their basic hedge v real appreciation and got burned.   i enormously appreciate these comments; they really help me understand what is going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/08/it-was-a-wild-day-in-the-foreign-exchange-market/#comment-114807</link>
		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brad,

I´m also from Brazil and I want to second what Christian Bojlesen has said. The great volatility in the real these days is due to companies (mainly exporters) that where selling calls options on dollars in order to reduce the cost of their hedge against real apreciation. When the strike price of this options was reached, they started to lose money and the market got the news that they were, in fact, speculating against the dollar. This, together with all the turmoil abroad, caused the possiblity of a huge &quot;corner&quot; on the FX market, a possibility that was promptly seized by others players. The BCB reaction was slow, but tey start selling reserves yesterday and, with that, the real is recovering today. 
The problem is that the market suspects that many other companies have been doing the same thing (Cetip is registering more than R$ 58 billions in sold positions of no-financial companies). Needless to say that in the current circunstances, the exit door is very narrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brad,</p>
<p>I´m also from Brazil and I want to second what Christian Bojlesen has said. The great volatility in the real these days is due to companies (mainly exporters) that where selling calls options on dollars in order to reduce the cost of their hedge against real apreciation. When the strike price of this options was reached, they started to lose money and the market got the news that they were, in fact, speculating against the dollar. This, together with all the turmoil abroad, caused the possiblity of a huge &#8220;corner&#8221; on the FX market, a possibility that was promptly seized by others players. The BCB reaction was slow, but tey start selling reserves yesterday and, with that, the real is recovering today.<br />
The problem is that the market suspects that many other companies have been doing the same thing (Cetip is registering more than R$ 58 billions in sold positions of no-financial companies). Needless to say that in the current circunstances, the exit door is very narrow.</p>
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		<title>By: DJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next on the Hank Paulson agenda... Force any still solvent citizens of America to take out high-interest bank loans at gunpoint. LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next on the Hank Paulson agenda&#8230; Force any still solvent citizens of America to take out high-interest bank loans at gunpoint. LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: DJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

The Fed and Treasury are perplexed. Liquidity schemes like the TAF, PDCF, TSLF, TARP, ABCPMMMFLF, and the CFFF did not help stimulate bank lending.

Liquidity measures cannot solve the crisis or stimulate lending. It is pushing on a String in Bernanke&#039;s Academic Wonderland.

Paulson is foolish enough to force the issue and is Threatening To Take Ownership Stake In Banks to do it. The problem is not uncertainty or liquidity. It is 100% certain that the entire US financial system is insolvent. The problem is insolvency. 

“The core problem is that the smart people are realizing that the banking system is broken,” said Economist Carl B. Weinberg. The cancerous disease is fractional reserve lending, the very existence of the Fed, and an unsound monetary system. The only cure is to eliminate the Fed, abolish fractional reserve lending, and put in place a sound monetary system backed by hard assets.</description>
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<p>The Fed and Treasury are perplexed. Liquidity schemes like the TAF, PDCF, TSLF, TARP, ABCPMMMFLF, and the CFFF did not help stimulate bank lending.</p>
<p>Liquidity measures cannot solve the crisis or stimulate lending. It is pushing on a String in Bernanke&#8217;s Academic Wonderland.</p>
<p>Paulson is foolish enough to force the issue and is Threatening To Take Ownership Stake In Banks to do it. The problem is not uncertainty or liquidity. It is 100% certain that the entire US financial system is insolvent. The problem is insolvency. </p>
<p>“The core problem is that the smart people are realizing that the banking system is broken,” said Economist Carl B. Weinberg. The cancerous disease is fractional reserve lending, the very existence of the Fed, and an unsound monetary system. The only cure is to eliminate the Fed, abolish fractional reserve lending, and put in place a sound monetary system backed by hard assets.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regula: So if all those ifs are met I would agree nationalization doesn’t cost anything.

If it costs nothing, there is something wrong here.  If the banks are insolvent (which I think they are) then someone has to absorb the loss.  If people don&#039;t stare at that fact and acknowledge it, they you&#039;ll have all these hare-brained schemes to create something from nothing, which is sort of how we got into this mess in the first place.

If all we had was a liquidity problem this could be resolved with the Fed&#039;s borrowing facilities.  We don&#039;t have a liquidity problem, we have a solvency problem, and any scheme that *DOESN&#039;T* result in losses to the taxpayer needs to be looked at suspiciously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regula: So if all those ifs are met I would agree nationalization doesn’t cost anything.</p>
<p>If it costs nothing, there is something wrong here.  If the banks are insolvent (which I think they are) then someone has to absorb the loss.  If people don&#8217;t stare at that fact and acknowledge it, they you&#8217;ll have all these hare-brained schemes to create something from nothing, which is sort of how we got into this mess in the first place.</p>
<p>If all we had was a liquidity problem this could be resolved with the Fed&#8217;s borrowing facilities.  We don&#8217;t have a liquidity problem, we have a solvency problem, and any scheme that *DOESN&#8217;T* result in losses to the taxpayer needs to be looked at suspiciously.</p>
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		<title>By: DJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote of the Day from Doug Noland:

&quot;The over-indebted US household, corporate and state sectors face a devastating liquidity crisis amid frozen lending markets, broken securitization markets and a panic of de-leveraging. It&#039;s an absolute debacle, and US policymakers can do little about it other than try to slow the collapse.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote of the Day from Doug Noland:</p>
<p>&#8220;The over-indebted US household, corporate and state sectors face a devastating liquidity crisis amid frozen lending markets, broken securitization markets and a panic of de-leveraging. It&#8217;s an absolute debacle, and US policymakers can do little about it other than try to slow the collapse.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read artical by Tom Szabo on the www.Kitco.com web site. &#039;The Fed is bankrupt: Update on the Helecopter&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read artical by Tom Szabo on the <a href="http://www.Kitco.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.Kitco.com</a> web site. &#8216;The Fed is bankrupt: Update on the Helecopter&#8217;</p>
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