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		<title>By: Foreign Central Banks Swing to 52-Week Net Sell-Off of Agency Debt &#124; Housing Doom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/16/foreign-central-banks-seek-safety-the-fed-by-contrast/#comment-121124</link>
		<dc:creator>Foreign Central Banks Swing to 52-Week Net Sell-Off of Agency Debt &#124; Housing Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] another historic milestone in this story.&#160; To put it starkly, the blue line in Chart 1 of Brad Setser&#8217;s Oct 16th blog post has just plunged below the y-axis for the very first [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] another historic milestone in this story.&nbsp; To put it starkly, the blue line in Chart 1 of Brad Setser&#8217;s Oct 16th blog post has just plunged below the y-axis for the very first [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Imbalances &#171; American Armageddon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/16/foreign-central-banks-seek-safety-the-fed-by-contrast/#comment-119700</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Imbalances &#171; American Armageddon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think so; they have made a big change in their buying patterns over the past several weeks, as this chart from Brad Setser [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] think so; they have made a big change in their buying patterns over the past several weeks, as this chart from Brad Setser [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fed lost control of the Federal Funds Rate. &#171; American Armageddon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/16/foreign-central-banks-seek-safety-the-fed-by-contrast/#comment-119553</link>
		<dc:creator>Fed lost control of the Federal Funds Rate. &#171; American Armageddon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is frightening stuff. Not least because the Fed’s own balance sheet is not looking healthy. Via Brad Setser at the CFR, here’s Paul Swartz’s latest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is frightening stuff. Not least because the Fed’s own balance sheet is not looking healthy. Via Brad Setser at the CFR, here’s Paul Swartz’s latest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Losing Control &#187; Futures Trading Blog - Shadowtraders.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/16/foreign-central-banks-seek-safety-the-fed-by-contrast/#comment-116219</link>
		<dc:creator>Losing Control &#187; Futures Trading Blog - Shadowtraders.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is frightening stuff. Not least because the Fed’s own balance sheet is not looking healthy. Via Brad Setser at the CFR, here’s Paul Swartz’s latest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is frightening stuff. Not least because the Fed’s own balance sheet is not looking healthy. Via Brad Setser at the CFR, here’s Paul Swartz’s latest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ReformerRay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/16/foreign-central-banks-seek-safety-the-fed-by-contrast/#comment-116021</link>
		<dc:creator>ReformerRay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael is impressed by the increase in total real goods and services produced by economic expansions that are usually accompanied by bubbles.

1) Bubbles are not necessary - they are unanticipated consequences of rapid growth.  We should try to control them.

2) In the expansion from 1997- 2007, the real goods were produced mostly outside the U.S.  As a result, the ability to produce real goods exists outside the U.S.  This leaves the U.S. in a doubly vulnerable position - lack of habits and tools producing goods and a negative Net International Investment Position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael is impressed by the increase in total real goods and services produced by economic expansions that are usually accompanied by bubbles.</p>
<p>1) Bubbles are not necessary &#8211; they are unanticipated consequences of rapid growth.  We should try to control them.</p>
<p>2) In the expansion from 1997- 2007, the real goods were produced mostly outside the U.S.  As a result, the ability to produce real goods exists outside the U.S.  This leaves the U.S. in a doubly vulnerable position &#8211; lack of habits and tools producing goods and a negative Net International Investment Position.</p>
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		<title>By: Hase und Igel - und der Gewinner ist &#8230; &#8212; WEISSGARNIX</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/16/foreign-central-banks-seek-safety-the-fed-by-contrast/#comment-115967</link>
		<dc:creator>Hase und Igel - und der Gewinner ist &#8230; &#8212; WEISSGARNIX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Geschäftsführung. Solche tollen Kerzen konnten meinen Töchter erst nach Jahren zeichnen. Die FED schafft das wesentlich [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Geschäftsführung. Solche tollen Kerzen konnten meinen Töchter erst nach Jahren zeichnen. Die FED schafft das wesentlich [...]</p>
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		<title>By: glory</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/16/foreign-central-banks-seek-safety-the-fed-by-contrast/#comment-115636</link>
		<dc:creator>glory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fwiw, that&#039;s what daniel gross has been saying, viz. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2165929/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;why bubbles are great for the economy&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fwiw, that&#8217;s what daniel gross has been saying, viz. <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2165929/" rel="nofollow">why bubbles are great for the economy</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twofish,

Sorry, that&#039;s supposed to be More Good Than Harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twofish,</p>
<p>Sorry, that&#8217;s supposed to be More Good Than Harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/10/16/foreign-central-banks-seek-safety-the-fed-by-contrast/#comment-115631</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twofish,

Excellent point.  In fact, the case can very easily be made that &quot;bubbles&quot; (usually rapid and excessive credit expansion and/or asset valuation) do much more harm than good, even with the subsequent (and inevitable) &quot;crashes.&quot;  

The classic 17th and 18th century &quot;tulip&quot; style bubbles and trading company/land office schemes actually allocated capital for the early industrial revolution and the settlement of North America by Europeans.  The period from 1908-1929 saw a fantastic second industrial revolution and technological explosion, and the 1939-2005 period has also been remarkable, especially on a global scale.  

In every major historical international &quot;bubble&quot; scenario the resultant &quot;crashes&quot; of credit, asset values and/or business activity are from peaks that were extremely high compared to pre-bubble levels, and the net post-bubble level is ALWAYS higher than the initial conditions (e.g., in order to understand the net effect of the full cycle, you wouldn&#039;t compare 1933 to 1929, you&#039;d compare 1933 to 1908).  

Moreover, as you point out, you get all the residual tangible benefits of industrial, commercial, and technological expansion that accelerated during the &quot;bubble&quot; phase (by the way, war, if you&#039;re not physically destroyed by it, can the best &quot;bubble&quot; of all in this regard - e.g., WWI and WWII for America).  

Of course, there is always the &quot;rachet effect,&quot; wherein expectations of prosperity reached at the bubble&#039;s peak resist being replaced by a feeling of gratitude for the gains achieved during the bubble, with acceptance of the necessary  partial reduction of the previous hyper-prosperity, even when the reduction is by fractions of less than 50%.  

But, this is merely evidence of our psychological rigidity, not evidence that the &quot;bubble&quot; itself did any material harm (although arguments are made concerning &quot;misallocation of capital&quot; that I would agree with).  For example, you get bizarre recommendations to &quot;bulldoze the excess housing&quot; to reduce capacity so prices will rise.  I believe that increased housing stock is one of the BENEFITS of the credit bubble!  In fact, housing is still overpriced, or it would be selling better - and it&#039;s still twice the price it was in 1999 (when equities were higher priced than they are now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twofish,</p>
<p>Excellent point.  In fact, the case can very easily be made that &#8220;bubbles&#8221; (usually rapid and excessive credit expansion and/or asset valuation) do much more harm than good, even with the subsequent (and inevitable) &#8220;crashes.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The classic 17th and 18th century &#8220;tulip&#8221; style bubbles and trading company/land office schemes actually allocated capital for the early industrial revolution and the settlement of North America by Europeans.  The period from 1908-1929 saw a fantastic second industrial revolution and technological explosion, and the 1939-2005 period has also been remarkable, especially on a global scale.  </p>
<p>In every major historical international &#8220;bubble&#8221; scenario the resultant &#8220;crashes&#8221; of credit, asset values and/or business activity are from peaks that were extremely high compared to pre-bubble levels, and the net post-bubble level is ALWAYS higher than the initial conditions (e.g., in order to understand the net effect of the full cycle, you wouldn&#8217;t compare 1933 to 1929, you&#8217;d compare 1933 to 1908).  </p>
<p>Moreover, as you point out, you get all the residual tangible benefits of industrial, commercial, and technological expansion that accelerated during the &#8220;bubble&#8221; phase (by the way, war, if you&#8217;re not physically destroyed by it, can the best &#8220;bubble&#8221; of all in this regard &#8211; e.g., WWI and WWII for America).  </p>
<p>Of course, there is always the &#8220;rachet effect,&#8221; wherein expectations of prosperity reached at the bubble&#8217;s peak resist being replaced by a feeling of gratitude for the gains achieved during the bubble, with acceptance of the necessary  partial reduction of the previous hyper-prosperity, even when the reduction is by fractions of less than 50%.  </p>
<p>But, this is merely evidence of our psychological rigidity, not evidence that the &#8220;bubble&#8221; itself did any material harm (although arguments are made concerning &#8220;misallocation of capital&#8221; that I would agree with).  For example, you get bizarre recommendations to &#8220;bulldoze the excess housing&#8221; to reduce capacity so prices will rise.  I believe that increased housing stock is one of the BENEFITS of the credit bubble!  In fact, housing is still overpriced, or it would be selling better &#8211; and it&#8217;s still twice the price it was in 1999 (when equities were higher priced than they are now).</p>
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		<title>By: Cedric Regula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cedric Regula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS.
However , I am an optimist.

I have a nude Alan Greenspan poster in my bedroom, created by Don Luskin, and produced by Kudlow &amp; Co.

Don&#039;t sell capitalism short. It&#039;s illegal !!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS.<br />
However , I am an optimist.</p>
<p>I have a nude Alan Greenspan poster in my bedroom, created by Don Luskin, and produced by Kudlow &amp; Co.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t sell capitalism short. It&#8217;s illegal !!!!!</p>
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