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		<title>By: Links: 2008-12-05 - Credit Writedowns</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/12/04/china-is-starting-to-sound-like-a-normal-creditor-country/#comment-129783</link>
		<dc:creator>Links: 2008-12-05 - Credit Writedowns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Random Links XXVI &#171; Random Musings of a Deranged Mind</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/12/04/china-is-starting-to-sound-like-a-normal-creditor-country/#comment-129273</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Links XXVI &#171; Random Musings of a Deranged Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: noxtheking</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/12/04/china-is-starting-to-sound-like-a-normal-creditor-country/#comment-124518</link>
		<dc:creator>noxtheking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;noxtheking...&lt;/strong&gt;

Have you been blogging long? %TTITLE% is a great blog, you have a great writing style too.  Found this post last Friday and i&#039;ve been reading your blog since.  I&#039;ve subscribed to your RSS feed and I am excited for more quality posts like this one :)...</description>
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<p>Have you been blogging long? %TTITLE% is a great blog, you have a great writing style too.  Found this post last Friday and i&#8217;ve been reading your blog since.  I&#8217;ve subscribed to your RSS feed and I am excited for more quality posts like this one <img src='http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: myrtle beach</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/12/04/china-is-starting-to-sound-like-a-normal-creditor-country/#comment-120208</link>
		<dc:creator>myrtle beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chinas economy also seems to be slowing down. It will be intresting to see what happens in the next year. 

in the next 12 months we will see the option arms peak, which with all of the other financial problems the US is facing, it will be intresting to see how a democratic president reacts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chinas economy also seems to be slowing down. It will be intresting to see what happens in the next year. </p>
<p>in the next 12 months we will see the option arms peak, which with all of the other financial problems the US is facing, it will be intresting to see how a democratic president reacts.</p>
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		<title>By: ReformerRay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/12/04/china-is-starting-to-sound-like-a-normal-creditor-country/#comment-120200</link>
		<dc:creator>ReformerRay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is China really hurting itself?
China’s growth is disproportionately exports and manufacturing, for which there are increasing returns to scale and a lot of learning-by-doing. Keeping their currency artificially cheap helps China develop a long-run comparative advantage and thereby helps long-run growth.
This is the kind of stuff Krugman just won the Nobel for. It makes a lot of sense.
So, China may be doing the right thing, not just for China, but for the whole world.

China is definitely doing the right thing for China.  For the whole world, I doubt it.

The total amount of manufacturing goods sold on the international market is a finite amount - not a constant amount, but a finite amount.  Competition  for that total, whatever it is, is a zero-sum game, in that whatever % of the total is won by country A means that country B cannot have that %.

It is true that the total grows each year and the competition among nations provides better opportunities for consumers throughout the world.

It is also true, that growth of the share that goes to China results in some country, probably the U.S. since we have by far the larges trade deficit, losing share.

The U.S. is made worse off when a share of world exports is reduced in the U.S. and increased in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is China really hurting itself?<br />
China’s growth is disproportionately exports and manufacturing, for which there are increasing returns to scale and a lot of learning-by-doing. Keeping their currency artificially cheap helps China develop a long-run comparative advantage and thereby helps long-run growth.<br />
This is the kind of stuff Krugman just won the Nobel for. It makes a lot of sense.<br />
So, China may be doing the right thing, not just for China, but for the whole world.</p>
<p>China is definitely doing the right thing for China.  For the whole world, I doubt it.</p>
<p>The total amount of manufacturing goods sold on the international market is a finite amount &#8211; not a constant amount, but a finite amount.  Competition  for that total, whatever it is, is a zero-sum game, in that whatever % of the total is won by country A means that country B cannot have that %.</p>
<p>It is true that the total grows each year and the competition among nations provides better opportunities for consumers throughout the world.</p>
<p>It is also true, that growth of the share that goes to China results in some country, probably the U.S. since we have by far the larges trade deficit, losing share.</p>
<p>The U.S. is made worse off when a share of world exports is reduced in the U.S. and increased in China.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/12/04/china-is-starting-to-sound-like-a-normal-creditor-country/#comment-120047</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is China really hurting itself?

China&#039;s growth is disproportionately exports and manufacturing, for which there are increasing returns to scale and a lot of learning-by-doing.  Keeping their currency artificially cheap helps China develop a long-run comparative advantage and thereby helps long-run growth.

This is the kind of stuff Krugman just won the Nobel for.  It makes a lot of sense.

So, China may be doing the right thing, not just for China, but for the whole world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is China really hurting itself?</p>
<p>China&#8217;s growth is disproportionately exports and manufacturing, for which there are increasing returns to scale and a lot of learning-by-doing.  Keeping their currency artificially cheap helps China develop a long-run comparative advantage and thereby helps long-run growth.</p>
<p>This is the kind of stuff Krugman just won the Nobel for.  It makes a lot of sense.</p>
<p>So, China may be doing the right thing, not just for China, but for the whole world.</p>
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		<title>By: ReformerRay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/12/04/china-is-starting-to-sound-like-a-normal-creditor-country/#comment-119601</link>
		<dc:creator>ReformerRay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Murphy - My point was not clearly enough stated.  You believe that popul;ation density is the cause of variaation in trade balance between the U.S. and its trading partners.  If that is so, population density should also control the variation between trade balance in other countries.  I invite you to further defend your assertion by showing a correlation or association between population density and the trade balance in Germany and Japan - or any other country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Murphy &#8211; My point was not clearly enough stated.  You believe that popul;ation density is the cause of variaation in trade balance between the U.S. and its trading partners.  If that is so, population density should also control the variation between trade balance in other countries.  I invite you to further defend your assertion by showing a correlation or association between population density and the trade balance in Germany and Japan &#8211; or any other country.</p>
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		<title>By: ReformerRay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReformerRay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imports and exports must be equal for comparative advantage to describe reality.</description>
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		<title>By: Pete Murphy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2008/12/04/china-is-starting-to-sound-like-a-normal-creditor-country/#comment-119557</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ReformerRay, you&#039;re absolutely right that Japan and Germany (and lots of others) don&#039;t believe in free trade.  But they&#039;re the first to criticize the U.S. for not believing in it if we even express concern about our trade deficit.  

And I agree with your comment about comparative advantage - that it works between two equal nations.  But population density is a major factor in that equation.  Free trade between two nations of grossly disparate population density will result in a trade deficit for the less densely populated nation almost every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ReformerRay, you&#8217;re absolutely right that Japan and Germany (and lots of others) don&#8217;t believe in free trade.  But they&#8217;re the first to criticize the U.S. for not believing in it if we even express concern about our trade deficit.  </p>
<p>And I agree with your comment about comparative advantage &#8211; that it works between two equal nations.  But population density is a major factor in that equation.  Free trade between two nations of grossly disparate population density will result in a trade deficit for the less densely populated nation almost every time.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2Fish: &quot; This is a factual issue that we can resolve by looking at the numbers.&quot;

I&#039;m not disputing that the banking industry employs more people than the auto industry.  I&#039;m disputing the causal relationship you asserted:  *because* they employ more, they were bailed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2Fish: &#8221; This is a factual issue that we can resolve by looking at the numbers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not disputing that the banking industry employs more people than the auto industry.  I&#8217;m disputing the causal relationship you asserted:  *because* they employ more, they were bailed out.</p>
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