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	<title>Comments on: A truly global slump.   Do not look to the emerging economies for good news &#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: London Mortgage Advisors</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2009/01/26/a-truly-global-slump-do-not-look-to-the-emerging-economies-for-good-news-right-now/#comment-135268</link>
		<dc:creator>London Mortgage Advisors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world still thrives on economic growth, and until this changes, conflict over such matters will continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world still thrives on economic growth, and until this changes, conflict over such matters will continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Gears Manufacturers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gears Manufacturers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks...well informed!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks&#8230;well informed!!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The similarities between what is happening now in the West and what has happened to some emerging economies in the past are striking.

Similar crises brought about by the same protagonists within the same framework. Similar except that this time it&#039;s global.

Greed, incompetence, a passive or ignorant electorate or no real electorate, have allowed the princes of capitalism and their cohorts to bring death, starvation and misery, to the world this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The similarities between what is happening now in the West and what has happened to some emerging economies in the past are striking.</p>
<p>Similar crises brought about by the same protagonists within the same framework. Similar except that this time it&#8217;s global.</p>
<p>Greed, incompetence, a passive or ignorant electorate or no real electorate, have allowed the princes of capitalism and their cohorts to bring death, starvation and misery, to the world this time.</p>
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		<title>By: phaedrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>phaedrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the new IMF projections are out and emerging economies still expected to grow vis a vis a contraction in the developed economies

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/update/01/index.htm

&quot;• Advanced economies will experience their sharpest contraction in the post-war period, the Update said. The IMF expects real activity to contract by around 1½ percent in the United States, 2 percent in the euro area, and 2½ percent in Japan.

• Though more resilient than in previous global downturns, emerging and developing economies will also suffer serious setbacks. For example, growth is expected to slow to 6¾ percent in China and 5 percent in India.

• Global growth is projected to rebound in 2010 to 3.0 percent after falling sharply to just 0.5 percent in 2009, when measured in terms of purchasing power parity. The 2009 world growth forecast has been revised downward by 1.7 percent compared with the last IMF projection last November.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the new IMF projections are out and emerging economies still expected to grow vis a vis a contraction in the developed economies</p>
<p><a href="http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/update/01/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/update/01/index.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;• Advanced economies will experience their sharpest contraction in the post-war period, the Update said. The IMF expects real activity to contract by around 1½ percent in the United States, 2 percent in the euro area, and 2½ percent in Japan.</p>
<p>• Though more resilient than in previous global downturns, emerging and developing economies will also suffer serious setbacks. For example, growth is expected to slow to 6¾ percent in China and 5 percent in India.</p>
<p>• Global growth is projected to rebound in 2010 to 3.0 percent after falling sharply to just 0.5 percent in 2009, when measured in terms of purchasing power parity. The 2009 world growth forecast has been revised downward by 1.7 percent compared with the last IMF projection last November.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: locococo</title>
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		<dc:creator>locococo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! Don t look there! There s trouble, see.  See this chart. And this one. Trouble I say. As in r o u b l e with a t infront.

It s here sir. Here we are. No problems here, see. Hell we invented this. Ok now Here you go sir, your truckload of our nice sounding words. It s all safely registerred, don t you worry a bit. It s Electronic. Just as seen in the  commercial / presented by our new set of carefully handpicked - all Keynesian - trustlooking models. Now, hand over the money. All there, good. Do you want more sir? No? Sure? Ok, then, but  …

…you ll be back. 
Trust me 


(American International Group Inc., the insurer saved from collapse by government money after losses on credit-default swaps, offered about $450 million in retention pay to employees of the unit that sold the derivatives)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! Don t look there! There s trouble, see.  See this chart. And this one. Trouble I say. As in r o u b l e with a t infront.</p>
<p>It s here sir. Here we are. No problems here, see. Hell we invented this. Ok now Here you go sir, your truckload of our nice sounding words. It s all safely registerred, don t you worry a bit. It s Electronic. Just as seen in the  commercial / presented by our new set of carefully handpicked &#8211; all Keynesian &#8211; trustlooking models. Now, hand over the money. All there, good. Do you want more sir? No? Sure? Ok, then, but  …</p>
<p>…you ll be back.<br />
Trust me </p>
<p>(American International Group Inc., the insurer saved from collapse by government money after losses on credit-default swaps, offered about $450 million in retention pay to employees of the unit that sold the derivatives)</p>
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		<title>By: Mari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bsteser: &quot;Emerging economies who thought that they had protected themselves from sudden swings in capital flows by maintaining large reserves and running large external surpluses are discovering that their efforts to reduce their exposure to volatile global capital flows added to their exposure to a global slump in trade&quot;. 

Great Synopsis of current EM problems...

97-98 currency crisis = reserve accumulation result
08-09 economic slowdown =???? 

What&#039;s next? - As a reader of this blog, I know you wish for them not subsidize the rich countries by &quot;managing&quot; exchange rates...but did you think the reserve accumulation answer when they went into 97-98 crisis? if so, whats their next move? if not - what else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bsteser: &#8220;Emerging economies who thought that they had protected themselves from sudden swings in capital flows by maintaining large reserves and running large external surpluses are discovering that their efforts to reduce their exposure to volatile global capital flows added to their exposure to a global slump in trade&#8221;. </p>
<p>Great Synopsis of current EM problems&#8230;</p>
<p>97-98 currency crisis = reserve accumulation result<br />
08-09 economic slowdown =???? </p>
<p>What&#8217;s next? &#8211; As a reader of this blog, I know you wish for them not subsidize the rich countries by &#8220;managing&#8221; exchange rates&#8230;but did you think the reserve accumulation answer when they went into 97-98 crisis? if so, whats their next move? if not &#8211; what else?</p>
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		<title>By: laura &#38; tony &#187; world&#8217;s biggest stomach ulcer</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura &#38; tony &#187; world&#8217;s biggest stomach ulcer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chinese leaders must really be losing sleep lately - most serious estimates of the Chinese economy indicate there was a contraction in Q4 08 (this graph), with dubious prospects for the near future. The entire country is on holiday, which [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chinese leaders must really be losing sleep lately &#8211; most serious estimates of the Chinese economy indicate there was a contraction in Q4 08 (this graph), with dubious prospects for the near future. The entire country is on holiday, which [...]</p>
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		<title>By: locococo</title>
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		<dc:creator>locococo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It s getting harder to balance the yield curve (refinancing at ridiculous rates) vs. the price of gold as assets classes risk reassessment and the resulting (asset class) re-shuffle is going on. 

It` s a race to beat the markets to issue before the above procedure blows some of the fog away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It s getting harder to balance the yield curve (refinancing at ridiculous rates) vs. the price of gold as assets classes risk reassessment and the resulting (asset class) re-shuffle is going on. </p>
<p>It` s a race to beat the markets to issue before the above procedure blows some of the fog away.</p>
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		<title>By: Rien Huizer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rien Huizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twofish,

1. stockmarkets are a common leading indicator. All kinds of things may be wrong with financial markets but for the purposes of my argument (of where to look for a bottom), it may be a good idea to see when some asset markets (as  proxy for wealth in  a recession that seems to display severe wealth effect problems). It is far from scientific, but, OK that is not the purpose of bloging.
2. Re Japan: what I meant includes political elements of course. And I hope you&#039;re right about the intolerance for not-hardship-defeating leaders in the US and China. But kep in mind the public response to that type of leaders in Germany and Japan in the 1930s...
3. Re US recession fighting measures: I guess that there is  ood chance that by helping US consumers, the US gvt will get the unintended consequence of helping Chinese producers...If China helped Chinese consumers, would that help US producers??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twofish,</p>
<p>1. stockmarkets are a common leading indicator. All kinds of things may be wrong with financial markets but for the purposes of my argument (of where to look for a bottom), it may be a good idea to see when some asset markets (as  proxy for wealth in  a recession that seems to display severe wealth effect problems). It is far from scientific, but, OK that is not the purpose of bloging.<br />
2. Re Japan: what I meant includes political elements of course. And I hope you&#8217;re right about the intolerance for not-hardship-defeating leaders in the US and China. But kep in mind the public response to that type of leaders in Germany and Japan in the 1930s&#8230;<br />
3. Re US recession fighting measures: I guess that there is  ood chance that by helping US consumers, the US gvt will get the unintended consequence of helping Chinese producers&#8230;If China helped Chinese consumers, would that help US producers??</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bsetser: b) China generated negative reserve growth in december by flirting with an rmb devaluation, which then led it to have to use its reserves to support its currency in the face of large outflows for the first time.

I suspect that Geithner&#039;s remarks on currency manipulation were mostly a shot across the bow, removing sustained devaluation from the list of Chinese policy alternatives.  If China continues to peg at current rates and if trade deficits keep falling then I don&#039;t think that there will be issues with currency.

On the other hand if there is a sustained drop in the RMB, then at that point we are in a new situation.  Personally, I seriously doubt that China is going to drop the RMB, because I can&#039;t see any way that China benefits from that.  If you do see a major devaluation in the RMB, then you will see the US react by increasing tariffs.

I think that we may be back to 1998, when everyone *wanted* the PRC to peg to the dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bsetser: b) China generated negative reserve growth in december by flirting with an rmb devaluation, which then led it to have to use its reserves to support its currency in the face of large outflows for the first time.</p>
<p>I suspect that Geithner&#8217;s remarks on currency manipulation were mostly a shot across the bow, removing sustained devaluation from the list of Chinese policy alternatives.  If China continues to peg at current rates and if trade deficits keep falling then I don&#8217;t think that there will be issues with currency.</p>
<p>On the other hand if there is a sustained drop in the RMB, then at that point we are in a new situation.  Personally, I seriously doubt that China is going to drop the RMB, because I can&#8217;t see any way that China benefits from that.  If you do see a major devaluation in the RMB, then you will see the US react by increasing tariffs.</p>
<p>I think that we may be back to 1998, when everyone *wanted* the PRC to peg to the dollar.</p>
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