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	<title>Comments on: Who bought all the Treasuries the US issued in 2008?  And who will be the big buyers in 2009?</title>
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		<title>By: Random Links VII &#171; Random Musings of a Deranged Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Links VII &#171; Random Musings of a Deranged Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Big Picture: Dow Jones - Seite 462 - Aktienboard</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Big Picture: Dow Jones - Seite 462 - Aktienboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Model     lesenswerte analyse des treasury marktes vom moneyflow experten Brad Setser:  Who bought all the Treasuries the US issued in 2008? And who will be the big buyers in 2009?     aus der ft:  Private equity investors flock to sale platform    [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Big Picture: Nasdaq Composite - Seite 119 - Aktienboard</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Big Picture: Nasdaq Composite - Seite 119 - Aktienboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Model     lesenswerte analyse des treasury marktes vom moneyflow experten Brad Setser:  Who bought all the Treasuries the US issued in 2008? And who will be the big buyers in 2009?     aus der ft:  Private equity investors flock to sale platform    [...]</description>
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		<title>By: blackswan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2009/02/26/who-bought-all-the-treasuries-the-us-issued-in-2008-and-who-will-be-the-big-buyers-in-2009/#comment-126436</link>
		<dc:creator>blackswan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey can you fix my name and delete this message?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey can you fix my name and delete this message?</p>
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		<title>By: balckswan</title>
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		<dc:creator>balckswan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would US savers buy 20-30 year treasuries?</description>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More Americans Are Saying No to the FED &amp; the National Debt!

Washington has bailed out the banks, Wall Street &amp; their Washington special interests and much of the cost is added to the national debt to by paid by this and future generations while real estate and investments continue to fall.  Find out what a growing repudiate the debt movement could mean for treasuries, the dollar, gold and mining shares.

The Campaign to Cancel the Washington National Debt By 12/22/2013 Constitutional Amendment is starting now in the U.S. See:  http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=67594690498&amp;ref=ts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Americans Are Saying No to the FED &amp; the National Debt!</p>
<p>Washington has bailed out the banks, Wall Street &amp; their Washington special interests and much of the cost is added to the national debt to by paid by this and future generations while real estate and investments continue to fall.  Find out what a growing repudiate the debt movement could mean for treasuries, the dollar, gold and mining shares.</p>
<p>The Campaign to Cancel the Washington National Debt By 12/22/2013 Constitutional Amendment is starting now in the U.S. See:  <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=67594690498&#038;ref=ts" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=67594690498&#038;ref=ts</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kafka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kafka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twofish, dude, I does not increase tax revenues much and what is I gonna be in, the consumers are already maxed out, the U.S. can’t compete with China in manufacturing unless prices increase dramatically (which of course creates a whole other set of problems).  I would have thought by now the rational actor model would have been debunked, maybe not.  I will say it once again, you can move the paper around all you want unless production and exports increase, nothing is gonna matter as everyone in the U.S. moves closer to an ever decreasing middle, welcome to the USSA.  

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The current crisis might be characterized as an example of the final stage of a well-known boom-and-bust pattern that has been repeated so many times in the course of economic history. There are, nevertheless, some aspects that make this crisis different from its predecessors: First, the preceding boom had its origin – at least to a large part – in the development of new financial products that opened up new investment possibilities (while most previous crises were the consequence of overinvestment in new physical investment possibilities). Second, the global dimension of the current crisis is due to the increased connectivity of our already highly interconnected financial system. Both aspects have been largely ignored by academic economics.
http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/papers/Dahlem_Report_EconCrisis021809.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twofish, dude, I does not increase tax revenues much and what is I gonna be in, the consumers are already maxed out, the U.S. can’t compete with China in manufacturing unless prices increase dramatically (which of course creates a whole other set of problems).  I would have thought by now the rational actor model would have been debunked, maybe not.  I will say it once again, you can move the paper around all you want unless production and exports increase, nothing is gonna matter as everyone in the U.S. moves closer to an ever decreasing middle, welcome to the USSA.  </p>
<p>………………………………………………………………………………………………<br />
The current crisis might be characterized as an example of the final stage of a well-known boom-and-bust pattern that has been repeated so many times in the course of economic history. There are, nevertheless, some aspects that make this crisis different from its predecessors: First, the preceding boom had its origin – at least to a large part – in the development of new financial products that opened up new investment possibilities (while most previous crises were the consequence of overinvestment in new physical investment possibilities). Second, the global dimension of the current crisis is due to the increased connectivity of our already highly interconnected financial system. Both aspects have been largely ignored by academic economics.<br />
<a href="http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/papers/Dahlem_Report_EconCrisis021809.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/papers/Dahlem_Report_EconCrisis021809.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kafka: How does borrowing money to allegedly stimulate the economy (and line the Politicos and their friends’ pockets) do anything but under the best case scenario prevent a more rapid decrement in a debt financed consumption based economy?

Borrowing massive amounts of money pays for the transition from a debt-financed consumption based economy to a savings-financed investment based economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kafka: How does borrowing money to allegedly stimulate the economy (and line the Politicos and their friends’ pockets) do anything but under the best case scenario prevent a more rapid decrement in a debt financed consumption based economy?</p>
<p>Borrowing massive amounts of money pays for the transition from a debt-financed consumption based economy to a savings-financed investment based economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kafka: , I mean Goldman is right and savings sky rockets to 8% what happens to consumption? If consumption continues its rapid decrease, what happens to GDP?

What should happen is that consumption goes down, investment goes up, demand stays the same.  If you increase savings it changes the components of GDP, but it doesn&#039;t change GDP itself.  Less money spent on buying consumer goods, more money available to build new factories.

Where this breaks down is that it requires banks that takes savings and then creates loans, and if you have sick banks, then this isn&#039;t happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kafka: , I mean Goldman is right and savings sky rockets to 8% what happens to consumption? If consumption continues its rapid decrease, what happens to GDP?</p>
<p>What should happen is that consumption goes down, investment goes up, demand stays the same.  If you increase savings it changes the components of GDP, but it doesn&#8217;t change GDP itself.  Less money spent on buying consumer goods, more money available to build new factories.</p>
<p>Where this breaks down is that it requires banks that takes savings and then creates loans, and if you have sick banks, then this isn&#8217;t happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Yeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Yeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg

sorry to interrupt your chat with 2 fish but do you really believe that China&#039;s reserves are really to back up its exports? (re your last comment: it would not depend so much on export and therefore would not need that much reserves)Whatever China&#039;s yuan policy, its dependence on export would have been hard to change as it is now. Turning an ocean liner requires as much luck as time, capacity and foresight /planning, not to mention enough deep blue sea. changing from export oriented to consumption based is not something which can be done in a couple of years.

as for the treasuries issue, perhaps Hilary Clinton&#039;s sales pitch is alreafdy a clue in itself?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg</p>
<p>sorry to interrupt your chat with 2 fish but do you really believe that China&#8217;s reserves are really to back up its exports? (re your last comment: it would not depend so much on export and therefore would not need that much reserves)Whatever China&#8217;s yuan policy, its dependence on export would have been hard to change as it is now. Turning an ocean liner requires as much luck as time, capacity and foresight /planning, not to mention enough deep blue sea. changing from export oriented to consumption based is not something which can be done in a couple of years.</p>
<p>as for the treasuries issue, perhaps Hilary Clinton&#8217;s sales pitch is alreafdy a clue in itself?!</p>
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