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		<title>By: TheAutoEconomy.com &#187; They let us borrow money so we could buy stuff from them.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2009/03/25/this-is-unquestionably-the-worst-global-economic-crisis-since-the-1930s/#comment-132964</link>
		<dc:creator>TheAutoEconomy.com &#187; They let us borrow money so we could buy stuff from them.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via Council on Foriegn Relations [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Curious Cat Investing and Economics Carnival #1 at Curious Cat Investing and Economics Blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2009/03/25/this-is-unquestionably-the-worst-global-economic-crisis-since-the-1930s/#comment-128748</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious Cat Investing and Economics Carnival #1 at Curious Cat Investing and Economics Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is unquestionably the worst global economic crisis since the 1930s by Brad Setser - &#8220;Both the IMF and World Bank are now forecasting an outright fall in global output in 2009&#8230; Anything below 2% [growth] is generally considered a global recession.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is unquestionably the worst global economic crisis since the 1930s by Brad Setser &#8211; &#8220;Both the IMF and World Bank are now forecasting an outright fall in global output in 2009&#8230; Anything below 2% [growth] is generally considered a global recession.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: So Much For Decoupling &#171; Diaghilev Cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>So Much For Decoupling &#171; Diaghilev Cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the rest of the world catches a cold&#8221; was no longer true.  Oh well.  Brad Setser has a nice write-up on the state of things on his blog over at the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: df</title>
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		<dc:creator>df</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twofish, I m not counting savings in banks, only debt from agents between them and between them and the bank. 

&quot;cancelling&quot; debt is not that easy, with or without savings taken in to account. 
For instance if as an auto company I sold by products to consumers on credit, if I am indebted to part makers and part makers have promised to pay wages and severance packages to their workers, who are buyers of cars. 

Do you think it ll be easy to tell workers to forget about their severance package in exchange of forgetting about their car debt. 
And what about those without a car ? 
And why should each of them individually not prefer to turn bankrupt, and if that happens what happens to those securizing debts etc. 

The thing is production is based on assumptions of future payment. Once confidence is gone, so goes production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twofish, I m not counting savings in banks, only debt from agents between them and between them and the bank. </p>
<p>&#8220;cancelling&#8221; debt is not that easy, with or without savings taken in to account.<br />
For instance if as an auto company I sold by products to consumers on credit, if I am indebted to part makers and part makers have promised to pay wages and severance packages to their workers, who are buyers of cars. </p>
<p>Do you think it ll be easy to tell workers to forget about their severance package in exchange of forgetting about their car debt.<br />
And what about those without a car ?<br />
And why should each of them individually not prefer to turn bankrupt, and if that happens what happens to those securizing debts etc. </p>
<p>The thing is production is based on assumptions of future payment. Once confidence is gone, so goes production.</p>
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		<title>By: Atenção: a Ásia grita, urra, esperneia! &#171; BLOG do CRÉDITO, por F.Blanco</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/2009/03/25/this-is-unquestionably-the-worst-global-economic-crisis-since-the-1930s/#comment-128348</link>
		<dc:creator>Atenção: a Ásia grita, urra, esperneia! &#171; BLOG do CRÉDITO, por F.Blanco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#124; Tags: Ásia, Brad Setser, Crise Internacional, Exportações Asiáticas &#124; &#160;  O ótimo blog de Brad Setser nos mostra, entre outras informações muito relevantes, este gráfico, que demonstra claramente [...]</description>
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		<title>By: worst global economic crisis since the 1930s &#171; EconProph</title>
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		<dc:creator>worst global economic crisis since the 1930s &#171; EconProph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via Brad Setser: Follow the Money » Blog Archive » “This is unquestionably the worst global economic.... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: duke</title>
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		<dc:creator>duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong on several counts but even if it were true that nett debt could sort itself out, the theory fails when we consider toxic CDOs.

For the first time in history the world economy is poisoned by debt no-one can price to market and indeed are afraid to.

How can economies survive when the trillion dollars i thought i had turns out worthless?
How does that affect you when the trillion you loaned me was backed by garbage assets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong on several counts but even if it were true that nett debt could sort itself out, the theory fails when we consider toxic CDOs.</p>
<p>For the first time in history the world economy is poisoned by debt no-one can price to market and indeed are afraid to.</p>
<p>How can economies survive when the trillion dollars i thought i had turns out worthless?<br />
How does that affect you when the trillion you loaned me was backed by garbage assets?</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Yeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Yeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s probably a group of foreigners  feeling worse than anyone else right now. Their investment in export oriented factories are more or less severely impaired. The havoc in currency markets is hardly helping repatriation efforts. The sale of property could hardly go well in such a market. A real sign of how global the mess is is how these people are now wondering if staying put is any riskier than leaving for their home countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s probably a group of foreigners  feeling worse than anyone else right now. Their investment in export oriented factories are more or less severely impaired. The havoc in currency markets is hardly helping repatriation efforts. The sale of property could hardly go well in such a market. A real sign of how global the mess is is how these people are now wondering if staying put is any riskier than leaving for their home countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>df: I ve long said that since the debt/GDP ratio was already higher in 2008 than in 1933 after a fall of the US GDP of 50%, the coming crisis is bound to be worse than the one of the 30’s.

And I&#039;ve always argued that &quot;total debt&quot; is a meaningless number that is often very misunderstood.  If you save money in a bank, you&#039;ve created debt, as the bank now owes you money.

Also money is a collective illusion.  If you have the productive things there (like factories and people) then all you have to do is to figure out what computer keys to press in order to redistribute things.

A high &quot;total debt&quot; is very easy to fix.  If I owe you a trillion dollars and you owe me a trillion dollars, then we just shake hands and we both agree to cancel each others debt.  The tricky things happen when I owe you, but you don&#039;t owe me.

So ironically, we are in good shape if everyone is indebted to everyone else.  If you have A indebted to B but B not indebted to A, *then* we have problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>df: I ve long said that since the debt/GDP ratio was already higher in 2008 than in 1933 after a fall of the US GDP of 50%, the coming crisis is bound to be worse than the one of the 30’s.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve always argued that &#8220;total debt&#8221; is a meaningless number that is often very misunderstood.  If you save money in a bank, you&#8217;ve created debt, as the bank now owes you money.</p>
<p>Also money is a collective illusion.  If you have the productive things there (like factories and people) then all you have to do is to figure out what computer keys to press in order to redistribute things.</p>
<p>A high &#8220;total debt&#8221; is very easy to fix.  If I owe you a trillion dollars and you owe me a trillion dollars, then we just shake hands and we both agree to cancel each others debt.  The tricky things happen when I owe you, but you don&#8217;t owe me.</p>
<p>So ironically, we are in good shape if everyone is indebted to everyone else.  If you have A indebted to B but B not indebted to A, *then* we have problems.</p>
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		<title>By: df</title>
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		<dc:creator>df</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK I just checked, GDP fell 20% in the 30&#039;s in the biggest countries. I bet on a fall of 40% in OECD and on a somewhat bigger fall in China, since China is the land of investment and investment is what hit first. 

Unless of course the governments enact smart policies but nothing smart as been put forward to prevent the debt build up, so I hardly see how suddenly something smart would pop up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK I just checked, GDP fell 20% in the 30&#8242;s in the biggest countries. I bet on a fall of 40% in OECD and on a somewhat bigger fall in China, since China is the land of investment and investment is what hit first. </p>
<p>Unless of course the governments enact smart policies but nothing smart as been put forward to prevent the debt build up, so I hardly see how suddenly something smart would pop up.</p>
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