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		<title>By: Readings &#171; ˈā-kwə-tēs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Readings &#171; ˈā-kwə-tēs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sovereign Bailout Funds, Sovereign Development Funds, Sovereign Wealth Funds, by Brad Setser (CFR) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 19:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>djc: China lacks the sophistication of Wall Street or the City, but given the mess that complex and opaque securities have caused, a simpler system has its virtues.

This isn&#039;t true.  Hong Kong is plenty sophisticated, and as far as derivatives sales go, it&#039;s as big as London and probably bigger than New York.  

One curious thing is that as far as complex derivatives go, London is a far bigger market than NYC since in the United States most complex derivatives are not available for retail sale in contrast to HK or London.  London, HK, and Shanghai are much more opaque than NYC is.

The conclusion that I draw from this is that transparency is an overrated virtue when it comes to stopping a financial crisis, which is also way I&#039;m less concerned at keeping track of what SWF&#039;s are doing, since I don&#039;t think it matters that much in the grand scheme of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>djc: China lacks the sophistication of Wall Street or the City, but given the mess that complex and opaque securities have caused, a simpler system has its virtues.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t true.  Hong Kong is plenty sophisticated, and as far as derivatives sales go, it&#8217;s as big as London and probably bigger than New York.  </p>
<p>One curious thing is that as far as complex derivatives go, London is a far bigger market than NYC since in the United States most complex derivatives are not available for retail sale in contrast to HK or London.  London, HK, and Shanghai are much more opaque than NYC is.</p>
<p>The conclusion that I draw from this is that transparency is an overrated virtue when it comes to stopping a financial crisis, which is also way I&#8217;m less concerned at keeping track of what SWF&#8217;s are doing, since I don&#8217;t think it matters that much in the grand scheme of things.</p>
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		<title>By: Twofish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twofish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 19:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with statements that HK/Shanghai will displace NYC and London is that they are just not in competition with each other.  You need three trading centers to do global 24-hour trading, and NYC is going to be a major center unless and until people in the Americas like doing finance deals at 3 a.m.

The big battle is between Shanghai/HK and Singapore.  Singapore is closer to the Middle East which means that there is more overlap in time zones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with statements that HK/Shanghai will displace NYC and London is that they are just not in competition with each other.  You need three trading centers to do global 24-hour trading, and NYC is going to be a major center unless and until people in the Americas like doing finance deals at 3 a.m.</p>
<p>The big battle is between Shanghai/HK and Singapore.  Singapore is closer to the Middle East which means that there is more overlap in time zones.</p>
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		<title>By: DJC.</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJC.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Western Corporations rapidly divesting of Chinese assets to raise cash.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30694823

On Tuesday, Bank of America sold about $7.3 billion worth of Hong Kong listed shares in China Construction Bank to a group of investors, a source said on Tuesday, as the struggling U.S. bank seeks to raise cash.

Bank of America offloaded $2.83 billion worth of shares in Construction Bank in January at 12 percent below the Chinese bank&#039;s last trading price.

That same month, Royal Bank of Scotland sold a $2.4 billion stake in Bank of China at a 7.6 percent discount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Western Corporations rapidly divesting of Chinese assets to raise cash.</p>
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<p>On Tuesday, Bank of America sold about $7.3 billion worth of Hong Kong listed shares in China Construction Bank to a group of investors, a source said on Tuesday, as the struggling U.S. bank seeks to raise cash.</p>
<p>Bank of America offloaded $2.83 billion worth of shares in Construction Bank in January at 12 percent below the Chinese bank&#8217;s last trading price.</p>
<p>That same month, Royal Bank of Scotland sold a $2.4 billion stake in Bank of China at a 7.6 percent discount.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 12:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange relationship to be long time brothers in business and yet in disagreement on all other issues.


http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/8/58/42719905.pdf

Would the leading indicators be foretelling a leveling of resources and their allocation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange relationship to be long time brothers in business and yet in disagreement on all other issues.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/8/58/42719905.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/8/58/42719905.pdf</a></p>
<p>Would the leading indicators be foretelling a leveling of resources and their allocation?</p>
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		<title>By: Qingdao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qingdao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be off topic, but interesting new essays at China Leadership Monitor at Hoover Institute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be off topic, but interesting new essays at China Leadership Monitor at Hoover Institute.</p>
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		<title>By: djc</title>
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		<dc:creator>djc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 10:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amid Western economic rubble, Hong Kong-Shanghai will rise 
By Jeffrey Garten 

New York and London will be nursing serious wounds for years. In both cases, budget deficits will be gigantic, resulting in higher taxes and cutbacks in public investment in the kind of services – transportation, education, even culture – that attract talent. In each city we can expect a big increase in financial regulation, not to mention ad hoc government interventions, adding to the cost and unpredictability of doing business. Controversies about financial remuneration will cause many professionals to seek other types of employment.

The status of New York will also be undercut by the emergence of another big financial centre on the east coast: Washington DC, now the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund and soon to be the epicentre of world financial regulatory reform. The increased intermingling of politics and finance will create new risks in the US financial system. On the other hand, China will be the world’s largest creditor for decades. When Great Britain and the US each held this position, they were the prime global financial centres.

China owns several of the world’s largest banks, all well capitalised. It has a large reservoir of big companies and up-and-coming ones that will be going public on the Hong Kong and Shanghai exchanges. It has a rapidly growing middle class with enormous savings that will encourage the development of a bigger and more sophisticated financial services sector. Its growth rate is still above 6 per cent (compared with negative rates in the US and UK) and it will emerge from the financial crisis far stronger than either America or Britain.

China lacks the sophistication of Wall Street or the City, but given the mess that complex and opaque securities have caused, a simpler system has its virtues. China will need to free up its currency in global markets, but this has been happening as the renminbi has risen 16 per cent against the dollar in the past year and Beijing has recently allowed several countries to hold the renminbi in their reserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amid Western economic rubble, Hong Kong-Shanghai will rise<br />
By Jeffrey Garten </p>
<p>New York and London will be nursing serious wounds for years. In both cases, budget deficits will be gigantic, resulting in higher taxes and cutbacks in public investment in the kind of services – transportation, education, even culture – that attract talent. In each city we can expect a big increase in financial regulation, not to mention ad hoc government interventions, adding to the cost and unpredictability of doing business. Controversies about financial remuneration will cause many professionals to seek other types of employment.</p>
<p>The status of New York will also be undercut by the emergence of another big financial centre on the east coast: Washington DC, now the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund and soon to be the epicentre of world financial regulatory reform. The increased intermingling of politics and finance will create new risks in the US financial system. On the other hand, China will be the world’s largest creditor for decades. When Great Britain and the US each held this position, they were the prime global financial centres.</p>
<p>China owns several of the world’s largest banks, all well capitalised. It has a large reservoir of big companies and up-and-coming ones that will be going public on the Hong Kong and Shanghai exchanges. It has a rapidly growing middle class with enormous savings that will encourage the development of a bigger and more sophisticated financial services sector. Its growth rate is still above 6 per cent (compared with negative rates in the US and UK) and it will emerge from the financial crisis far stronger than either America or Britain.</p>
<p>China lacks the sophistication of Wall Street or the City, but given the mess that complex and opaque securities have caused, a simpler system has its virtues. China will need to free up its currency in global markets, but this has been happening as the renminbi has risen 16 per cent against the dollar in the past year and Beijing has recently allowed several countries to hold the renminbi in their reserves.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 04:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we should blame David Swenson et al for leading endowment funds into illiquid investments. That change in mindset - chasing extra return through non-traditional means - was similar to the leak in a dam that cracks the whole structure. (I&#039;m not seriously hitting at Swenson, because the move was going to happen.) 

I see many of these sovereign funds as having traversed a path similar to the Yale or Harvard endowments: from an emphasis on safety to a growing appetite for risk, from a specific set of limited goals to a broader range of initiatives that sit comfortably with each other only when the assets are rising in value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should blame David Swenson et al for leading endowment funds into illiquid investments. That change in mindset &#8211; chasing extra return through non-traditional means &#8211; was similar to the leak in a dam that cracks the whole structure. (I&#8217;m not seriously hitting at Swenson, because the move was going to happen.) </p>
<p>I see many of these sovereign funds as having traversed a path similar to the Yale or Harvard endowments: from an emphasis on safety to a growing appetite for risk, from a specific set of limited goals to a broader range of initiatives that sit comfortably with each other only when the assets are rising in value.</p>
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